[ga] Re: [ga] LatinoamerICANN publica versión en españolde los Estatutos del ICANN
Can we talk about something less inflammatory, like, perhaps, religion
or politics?
I think it's time to move on.
Thanks,
Wednesday, March 10, 2004, 8:15:55 AM, Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
JW> Kim and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,
JW> Kim Davies wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Jeff Williams wrote:
>> >
>> > I didn't offer or "Come up" with any "Figure" Kim...
>> >
>> > However, I did say the Majority of subscribers were english
>> > speakers only due to a survey done some time ago on this
>> > forum...
>>
>> You seem to contradict yourself - you say you have no figure then
>> immediately go on to say the "majority" can only speak English.
JW> That is not a contridiction of any sort. It exactly correct as I stated
JW> it.
>> (You
>> said the majority can _only_ speak English before, but maybe you have
>> changed your mind now.)
JW> Not at all. I said the Majority of subscribers to this forum are english
JW> speakers only. That is exactly correct and correct as I stated it. Hence
JW> it would appear you are confused, and also seemingly attempting to
JW> confuse or state the opposite as though I stated it differently. Ergo
JW> you are confused in the extreme in this instance.. You have my
JW> empathy.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, regarding your original comment that is "exceedingly rude" not
>> to post in English here:
>>
>> The post in question was in Spanish. It would take 5 seconds to bring up
>> a free online machine translator to convert Spanish into English, and
>> give you a reasonable translation that would allow you to understand
>> what was said.
JW> I don't need to I read write and speak spanish quite well. Other fellow
JW> stakeholders/users and this forums subscribers do not, and should not
JW> be subjected to translating via any means what another poster posted.
JW> Hence in part why it is rude to post in any language on this forum unless
JW> that poster provides a english translation which meets the majority of the
JW> subscribers of this forum. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" ...
>>
>>
>> This may even give you a small inkling of the frustrations many people
>> have participating in the ICANN process. Many have to translate to and
>> from English, day in day out, when they want to participate in these forums.
JW> If they are non-English speakers which it the international excepted
language,
JW> and the forum members are in the majority english speakers only, than yes
JW> those that are non-English speakers must do their own translation.
>>
>>
>> To me, what is exceedingly rude is boldly asserting everyone must speak
>> English.
JW> I don't insist nor have I ever insisted everyone speak English. When in
JW> mexico or Spain for instance I speak Spanish only. That is because the
JW> majority of the people in Mexico and Spain speak spanish only, do not
JW> speak english well, or spanish is their most commonly understood language.
>> I think is an arrogant gesture that belittles the effort
>> involved for non-English speakers to participate - because you are
>> inferring that the most important thing is sparing you the mininal
>> effort it would take you translate the very occasional non-English post.
JW> I should not have to to make a special effort for a special case if
JW> the majority of the subscribers of a Email forum are english speakers
JW> only. It is rude in the extreme to knowingly post to a forum where it
JW> is well known by the poster whom posts in other than english to post
JW> in his or her native language without providing a English translation for
JW> the majority of the subscribers of that forum. This is exactly what
JW> Erick did. Ergo, he was being rude for some reason that is inconsistent
JW> with good manners and common courtesy to his fellow subscribers.
>>
>>
>> ICANN is a global forum, and a great many people interested in ICANN do
>> not have English as their first language. You might assume that the
>> majority of people interested in the DNS are American, but I would disagree.
JW> I make no assumption as to whether the majority of those interested in
JW> DNS issues or ICANN as a whole [ Hole? ] are american or any other
JW> nationality. Nothing in my previous comments or remarks would rationally
JW> indicate such. Hence I can only surmise you are arguing for the sake of
JW> doing so. That too is also rude in the extreme...
>>
>>
>> With such a minute fraction of posts here in languages other than
>> English, I don't see what the problem is when such posts can be easily
>> translated or ignored.
JW> I suppose ignorance is bliss. However intentional ignorance or ignorance
JW> for a reason of not being multilingual is foolish. Hence again why Ericks
JW> failure to provide a translation to english for the majority of subscribers
JW> of this forum is even more inconsiderate than usual or expectable.
>>
>>
>> kim
JW> Regretful regards,
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