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[OT] About Nostalgia & Text Editors (was: Re: burst digests?)



On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 05:19:27PM EST, Stephen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 04:29:06PM -0500 or thereabouts, David Yitzchak Cohen 
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:21:17AM EST, Stephen wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:24:29AM -0500 or thereabouts, David Yitzchak 
> > > Cohen wrote:

> > Maybe it did "threading" based solely on the subject and/or quoted text?
> 
> Quite possibly, but I cannot check, as I don't have a Macintosh with
> MacOS 9 on it. Something to do in the future tho. I have often thought
> I'd like to get some of my early Macs up and running, again. It would be
> kinda cool, to have System 6 running, with classic software -- nostalgic.

Yeah, kinda like my Apple IIe ... I've been trying to hack up a network
connection forever for the poor thing, but no luck yet :-(

> > > > > Thing is, I couldn't get this to work. Anyone have suggestions, and
> > > > > should it in fact work?
> > > > 
> > > > As I said, I don't know if metamutt was designed to work with
> > > > Yahoo! Groups. . .
> > > 
> > > OK, but I can't get it run,
> > 
> > What happens when you try running it?
> 
> I have trashed the script, so don't remember offhand what the error
> message was. I'll find it and run it again, another day tho, when more
> time can be had. :)

For future reference, BTW, before trashing a script that doesn't work,
it's generally a wise idea to save a log.  That way, you can look back
at it a week later (when you're not all mad at it), and suddenly realize
what's wrong.

> > <message type="subliminal">Elvis rocks!</message>
> 
> I actually visited your web page (curious mon-ami). Weren't you
> iterating there, that Elvis development has suspended?

Yeah, elvis is mostly dead at this point.  Unless somebody steps forward
to help fix some of the rather major issues (including the total lack of
UTF compatibility, which makes life rather difficult for many), it looks
like at some point in the future, most of us are going to have to either
switch to one of the other clones (none of which I really like), or to
VIPER mode under emacs.  (I know you won't believe me, but I'd actually
tend toward overhauling VIPER mode (since it's mostly just a bunch of
simple LISP code) to emulate elvis properly, and learning how to use
gnuclient or emacsclient, or something.  The reason is that I've done a
fair amount of work with emacs over the years, and while I don't like the
basic idea behind it one bit (essentially taking over your terminal and
running), realistically speaking it is the best-supported text editor
on the planet, and I already use GNU Screen to coordinate hundreds of
running programs, so I'm open to the idea of a heavy editor (like VIM or
emacs) always sitting in its own window, leaving everything else alone.
Now, emacsclient and gnuclient have been around for a nice long time
(since emacs people are already used to facing the sluggishness), so I'm
betting they're far better-supported than whatever VIM's equivalent is.
Now, elvis already supports just about everything I ever wanted in a text
editor in terms of functionality, so I can simply disable the keystrokes
for all other functionality in my modified VIPER, and stop having to
worry about bugging people to fix the latest bugs in my editor.  I tell
you, using an essentially dead editor really takes its toll on a guy,
especially a guy who does _all_ his text editing (yes, even including
web forms) in it. . .)  Fortunately, the latest release (2.2 "stable,"
finally) of elvis solves some of the really annoying bugs, so I for
one plan to stick with it for the time being.  I've also been toying
with the possibility of a text editing C library (to be loaded into
CINT), so I never have to leave the shell just to edit a text file.
Questions still remain about how to edit text from other programs (set
editor=cint, maybe?), realistic efficiency I'm likely to achieve, etc.,
but if I end up hitting paydirt with this, I'm obviously not going to
need any real text editor whatsoever.

When the time comes to switch to something else, y'all can count on
hearing me bitch about it to no end, so don't worry too much about
missing anything while you blink ;-)

 - Dave

-- 
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It's simple, Skyler.  You've seen what food processors do to food, right?

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