Re: [ga] ALAC Statement on WSIS Declaration of Principles and Plan of Actions
Jefsey and all former DNSO GA members or other stakeholders/users,
Although I and I am sure many of our members would agree with
much of you comments and remarks below, unfortunately given
your well known and documented propensity for spreading and
sending out spam would seem to give them a less than creditable
J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
> if this list has still a purpose, it is to address governance issues. Out
> of any mission creep, governance is about managing in a concerted way the
> three resources permiting e-networks interconnections with the purpose of
> user end to end relations (names, address, protocols). Such notions as
> "private sector", "government", "civil society" belong to the WSIS, not to
> e-network interconnections architecture, development and operations.
> They may be considered but as secondary to the main interest. They do not
> belong to RFC 920/1591.
> We want that end to end relations (many to many) to be established,
> maintained and developped in a sure, secure, safe, stable, attracative,
> innovating way. If in some areas, some countries, some technologies, some
> occasions, there is a need for more or for less influence by one of these
> societal building blocks, or by other ones such as army, police,
> univesities etc. the governance should adapt and welcome their
> representatives. The Embassadors lounge at ITU is where Embassadors decide
> quick military operations to restore telephone liaisons in case of coup,
> war, earthquake, etc. Green Berets are part of the world's telecoms. But
> this is not the GA usual concern.
> What is not acceptable is that the incapacity of a given technical,
> societal or governmental group deprives the global community from its right
> to surety, security, saftey, stability and innovation in term of
> interconnection of its e-netorks, what is IMHO now the case.
> The risks on the DNS, the centralization of the IPv6 numbering scheme, the
> spam progression, the on-line crime and dangers and the inability of the
> network participants to organize the normal societal multiletral and
> community life (which usually contains the crime and reduces the dangers),
> only show the fragility and probably the failure of the current governance
> model. I welcome the WSIS declaration. But positive effects could only be
> perceived in one or two decades, because ITU-T is made of the ICANN
> stakeholders. So, before the WSIS ideas (we develop for more than two
> decades) can really take over, UN will have to make an ITU revolution and
> create the ITU-I (for Internet and Intelligence). Then that ITU-I will have
> to stabilize (this is why the soonest we start...).
> I say "current failure" because one hour ago I had 549 mails (I had read my
> mails 11 hours before). 501 were junk mail. 53 had virus attachments. 2
> lead me to rebout after finding and removing them manually at DOS level,
> before I could read the remaining list. The reading required 32 minutes.
> The waste and junk filters selected 481 mails. I reviewed them and had to
> manually unjunk 3 mails, 2 being key important mails for my business. At
> the same time Paull Hoffmann has started a private list, calling for it on
> IETF lists, to capitalize on IETF Members' expertise (out of IETF IP
> policy). That list has already different management problems based upon the
> respect or not of RFCs (Paul does not want to use "[mail-ng " in the
> subject, polluting participants mail agent lists for the sake of RFC 2919.
> Such a list shows the real mess we are mudded into: scores of different
> demands for a new mail system are gathered (most refering to our existing
> absurd architecture). It will call for years and to change habits of
> billions of people to go that way. They do not understand yet what we the
> users might want - but they do not ask...
> TITANIC - Top Internet Technology, Administration and Network Infromation
> Another name for ICANN?
> At 18:09 26/01/04, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >Karl Auerbach ha scritto:
> >>On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >>>This statement has just been released by the ALAC. Comments or questions
> >>>are welcome.
> >>I'm sorry that I can't support the statement as it is not in accord with
> >>my strongly held belief that the fundamental unit of sovreignty is not the
> >>"private sector" but the individual human being.
> >>To the extent that national governments are ordained and established by
> >>the people those governments are worthy of far more respect as the voice
> >>of those people than are arbitrarily defined groups of "stakeholders".
> >I do agree with this... In fact, our push for direct participation by
> >individual users into these matters does not deny the value of national
> >governments. Only governments have the legitimacy that comes from
> >representing all the citizens of their nations.
> >The point about keeping the road open for user participation is not about
> >representation - it is about advocacy. It is about preserving that
> >virtuous circle of freedom and innovation that is unique to the Internet,
> >and that derives by the users' ability to directly modify the content of
> >the network, and even the way the network works.
> >Also, you may note that "private sector" is, in fact, something completely
> >different from what ALAC is meant to represent, or from what, in WSIS and
> >in more general political language, is usually defined as "civil society".
> >Certainly the ALAC has not called for the Internet to be uniquely managed
> >by the private sector, and in fact, I think that it is mainly the private
> >sector's fault - not the governments' - if participation by users has
> >constantly been reduced and denied during the past history of ICANN. So,
> >while I think there is high value in a "not purely governmental" model of
> >administering a network, I also think that letting the businesses
> >determine the future of the network alone would be a total disaster.
> >(For more detail on my personal positions, you might see the post I sent
> >nearly one month ago to CircleID:
> >http://www.circleid.com/article/411_0_1_0_C/ )
> >..oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
> >Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
> >http://bertola.eu.org/ <-- Vecchio sito, nuovo toblog!
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