Re: [At-Large] Rules of procedure, draft 2
Hi--speaking as ex-ALAC I have to add that I would have had no idea
who to vote for at my first ALAC meeting. How is any new
representative supposed to make a good choice if they don't know the
players? That's why I think the sitting "old" ALAC should choose its
officers at the AGM, and chooses the liaisons a month before the AGM.
I agree with Adam. Everyone gets two years to try and make a difference.
At 6:02 PM +0900 4/18/07, Adam Peake recently said:
>At 9:06 AM +0200 4/18/07, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>Roberto Gaetano ha scritto:
>>> Wendy Seltzer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think it's clear the new ALAC should vote for its representatives.
>>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely.
>>>
>>> Unless I am missing something, this implies two rounds of elections, the
>>> first one by the RALOs for the ALAC members, the second one by
>>>the ALAC for
>>> the officers.
>>
>>Incidentally, there is no term for the RALOs to notify their
>>appointments, and some RALOs might want to meet at the AGM and vote
>>there! So there's a bit of an electoral jam here :-)
>
>
>
>Why is every ALAC discussion so long-winded and drawn out. I don't
>mean this as an attack or to be rude. It just seems to be the case.
>
>Electing the liaison is typical. It's been discussed for a few hours
>in face to face meetings (Lisbon, and was mentioned in Sao Paulo... I
>think.) It's been part of draft papers. There's still disagreement
>now. And perhaps a new "log jam".
>
>Why not look at the bylaws, say "OK, our terms begin at the end of
>each AGM, every year we'll elect a board liaison on a schedule that
>allows us to send the name one month prior to the AGM." And work back
>from there. Organizations cannot debate every item to the finest
>detail, at some point you just have to get on with it. Hours and
>hours of person-time on what?
>
>I do understand people have different opinions (on everything...) and
>that there are reasonable democratic concerns for having made the
>choice you've made. But *every* decisions seems to be like this.
>
>A real concern is how ALAC is viewed by the rest of ICANN -- it's not
>good. The RALO formations has given a nice bump in the "polls", but
>overall it's bad.
>
>I don't see what the fuss is. Once the staggered terms are in place
>(by next year?) all ALAC members will serve 2 years and will get 2
>goes at selecting these positions. So where's the problem?
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>>Perhaps a solution (if we agree that we want to go for the third option
>>I posted, "the new ALAC votes at the AGM") would be to add a clause that
>>says that, even if the vote is held before the closure of the AGM (and
>>it has to be so, because the first meeting of the new Board starts
>>immediately after), it is the new ALAC members that vote, unless they
>>have not been elected yet, in which case the old ALAC members vote in
>>their place.
>>
>>Anyway, we could also have a clause asking RALOs to notify their
>>appointments, say, no later than three days before the closure of the
>>AGM. That would allow RALOs to meet in the first days of the meeting and
>>do the election.
>>
>>If this is the line of conduct that we like, I will draft text to this
>>effect - but is everyone ok with this? Could we please have a straw poll
>>on preferences among the three options:
>>
>>1) as it is now: the old ALAC votes at the AGM;
>>2) the old ALAC votes at the ICANN meeting before the AGM;
>>3) the new ALAC votes at the AGM.
>>
>>Up to now, I've seen Wendy for 3), and personally that's the one I
>>prefer as well.
>>
>>Of course, if we prefer 1) or 3) then we have to check whether that's
>>acceptable to ICANN, but I'd do it later and come back to the decision
>>only if there are problems.
>>--
>>vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------
>>--------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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