[IP] Pre-Paid
Begin forwarded message:
From: Sam Simon <ssimon@xxxxxxx>
Date: October 23, 2005 10:41:55 AM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, 'Ip Ip' <ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Pre-Paid
Dave,
Another major player in the pre-paid business is TracFone.
(www.tracfone.com) TracFone is different than other pre-paids because
they
do not require an "account" of any sort. Instead, all minutes are
tracked
within the phone itself. Once purchased, the service is "renewed" by
the
purchase of minutes on cards sold at many retail outlets, thus one can
easily use cash to add minutes. (Credit card renewal is also
possible, but
the renewal is within the phone)
There are no contracts or "minimums" on their basic phone service.
(Other
products, like Net10, do have minimums (www.net10.com ). It does
require one
use within 60 days. So, if you bought 30 mins of time, you would
have to
use and renew at least 5 mins within 60 days, or they "deactivate" the
phone.
Another difference is that you can readily transfer the phone to anyone
without ever dealing with TracFone. While other carriers typically
do allow
a transfer of contracts (upon credit approval of the transferee, and
sometimes extension of the contract), TracFone doesn't care since
they don't
really know who owns the phone.
Sam
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Samuel A. Simon
President
Issue Dynamics, Inc.
(202) 263-2901 (v); (202) 263-2961(fax)
-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:29 PM
To: Ip Ip
Subject: [IP] more on I AGREE djf more on Locked In a Cell: How Cell
Phone
Early Termination Fees Hurt Consumers
Begin forwarded message:
From: Gerry Faulhaber <gerry-faulhaber@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: October 11, 2005 9:28:27 AM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] I AGREE djf more on Locked In a Cell: How Cell
Phone Early Termination Fees Hurt Consumers
OK, this has been a learning experience;-). Thanks to the the many
informed IPers who responded. Here's what I've found out (and
another question):
1- The only carrier that offers a month-to-month service for "bring
your own phone" is Sprint, as several IPers have mentioned. None of
the others do. But in case you didn't notice, Sprint is probably the
weakest of the cellphone companies (even with their merger), so it
would appear that offering a month-to-month with "bring your own
phone" is simply not very important to customers. Maybe to IPers,
but most of those who reported this dastardly practice do not seem to
have switched to Sprint. In other words, while you and I may want
the option of month-to-month, it is not important enough to most
customers to be a competitive advantage. Too bad.
2- It's pretty obvious a multi-year contract is in the interest of
the phone company. For example, magazines make much more $$ from
yearly subscriptions than newstand sales. And if customers don't
think it's important enough to choose a carrier based on month-to-
month, it will not happen.
3- Some IPers mentioned foreign phones brought to the US and operated
on month-to-month, but noted they were much more expensive. Of
course, that was my original point: month-to-month will be more
expensive.
4- I was surprised almost no one discussed pre-paid cell service,
which of course involves no commitment at all, beyond the initial
minutes purchased. This has been a successful business model; e.g.,
Virgin Mobile only does pre-paid. This is a very different model, in
that there is no credit risk for the firms to bear.
I would think that IPers who object so strongly to multi-year
contracts would opt for pre-paid...or move to Sprint. I'd be
interested to learn from our correspondents why they do not avail
themselves of these options.
Prof. Gerry Faulhaber
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Farber" <dave@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Ip Ip" <ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: [IP] I AGREE djf more on Locked In a Cell: How Cell Phone
Early Termination Fees Hurt Consumers
Begin forwarded message:
From: Tom Goltz <tgoltz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: October 10, 2005 11:42:29 PM EDT
To: Gerry Faulhaber <gerry-faulhaber@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Locked In a Cell: How Cell Phone Early
Termination Fees Hurt Consumers
At 10:47 AM 10/10/2005, you wrote:
Re: cell phone contracts. I think the way this works is that you can
get a cellphone at a below-market price from your service provider in
return for a one- or two-year contract, OR you can buy your phone
elsewhere and get the service without a contract (or maybe a contract
of shorter duration). So this is a trade-off, you get a price break
on your instrument in return for a longer contract. But you don't
have to take this; you can still avoid the lengthy contract by buying
your own phone at a market price.
My experience has been the exact opposite of what you describe. I
have approached several different carriers with existing phones
that were compatible with their networks. Verizon flatly refused
to give me service without my signing *exactly* the same 1-year
contract that I'd have to sign to obtain a discounted phone.
Ditto for Cingular and T-Mobile. Only Sprint is willing to
provide service on a month- to-month basis to new customers who
either already have a phone or pay full price for the phone.
If the cell phone companies are doing such a wonderful job for
their customers, why are over 50% of the complaints received by the
Better Business Bureau cellular related? If you stop ten random
people on the street and ask them how they like their cellular
service, why will five of them tell you that they'd switch
carriers if they weren't locked into a contract?
Personally, I believe that all of us would be better off as
consumers if it was illegal for telecommunications companies to
require long- term contracts for services.
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