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It is clear that this was an intelligence failure and/or a WH failure djf



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From: "Gordon C. Thomasson, Ph.D." <gthomas1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 12, 2005 9:40:53 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] more on "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says


Nobody could have imagined ... 9/11 ?

Sorry,
The G-8 summit in Italy of July 2001 was under totally restricted airspace (missile batteries, fighter cover, etc.) because of a reported al Kaeda intent to fly an airliner into the summit meetings. The Bush people were FULLY informed, trusted the Italians' security measures and GWB attended.

Hard disks siezed in raids on al Kaeda in the Philippines in the mid-1990s outlined suicide-plane mission plans, and Phil. Intel passed these along to the US at least by the late 1990s.

These aren't slandered as "Michael Moore" facts but have solid pedigrees and paper trails, and have appeared in many major media as well as congressional discussions. We just forget ... or spin ... as needed.
Gordon C. Thomasson, Ph.D.

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From: "Hitchens, Ralph" <Ralph.Hitchens@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 12, 2005 10:18:51 AM EDT
To: "'dave@xxxxxxxxxx'" <dave@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [IP] more on "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says


Dave, for IP if you like.

Mr. Bray was right about one thing, even if Mr. Fairlie denies it. Only Tom Clancy (in "Debt of Honor," I believe, published in 1994) forecast the use of a commercial airliner in a suicide terrorist exploit. Yes, there have been many airline hijackings in recent decades but to my knowledge no one in the intelligence community (in which I worked for most of the last 20 years) or anywhere else put forward a scenario that resembled Clancy's.

Had anyone done so, our counter-terrorism analysts would have had something to work with. It's not likely that an airline pilot could be induced -- even at gunpoint -- to fly into a building, so al-Qaeda would need its own pilots. Flying an airliner is not something you learn at your average flight school; you need to attend one of a relatively small number of major flight schools that provide training in large transport-category jets. Nearly all the students at these schools work for airlines or large corporate operators, as the cost of this training is prohibitive. The Phoenix FBI office had the right idea in its now-famous memo, but it was "too little, too late." Had the Clancy scenario been taken seriously a few years earlier, I have no doubt that the relative handful of unaffiliated students of Middle Eastern origin could have been identified and investigated long before 9/11.

Scenario-based forecasting doesn't seem to be widely used in the Intelligence Community, from my experience. It's a domain that places the highest value on inductive reasoning.

Ralph Hitchens


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From: Tom Fairlie <tfairlie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 11, 2005 4:40:36 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: [IP] more on "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says


>>  The "who could have dreamed up 9/11" canard has been
so overused that I'm surprised a sharp person like Mr. Bray would even use it--unless it was dishonestly used of course. We have had almost 700 hijackings since 1970, and the people paid to protect the U.S. have been working on this threat full time. The President even received specific intelligence warning him of such an attack only a month before.<<


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