Re: [ga] Got a virus, Ken?
Don and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,
Don Brown wrote:
> Please read the following page:
> http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_BAGLE.J&VSect=T
>
> It could have even been sent from your machine or my box. The only
> possible way to determine the actual origin, is to expose the e-mail
> headers and track down the originating IP address.
Even that will not necessarily assure you have the originator as
IP address spoofing could have also been employed simultaneously...
So again your being a tad bit too simplistic.. However you also
could be quite right as well.
>
>
> I was obviously wrong, though, in assuming that you should have known
> that. I'll try not to let that happen again. :-)
I did know, and as I also pointed this out in two previous posts on this
thread in response.. However you did make yet another mistake in being
a tad bit too simplistic as to what MAY have happened regarding Ken's
Email/spam/virus it indeed his Email address was spoofed without his
knowledge, given he has a number of Email addresses that also could
have been the originating culprit... I assumed you took that fact into
account. It may be I was mistaken in making that assumption... I will
not do so again... >;)
In any event, AGAIN, it is Ken's email address that is possibly spreading
a Virus. And KEN is responsible for his Email addresses.. Hence, he
is responsible for any damage his Email address may have caused and
as one that holds himself is self high regard, such a laps in professional
and personal responsibility is inconsistent with good and/or reasonable
leadership...
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wednesday, April 7, 2004, 1:02:45 AM, Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> JW> Don and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,
>
> JW> No Don, your a good fellow, but in this instance your wrong, I afraid...
>
> JW> Ken should have taken adequate precautions. He obviously didn't
> JW> or didn't soon enough... Given his past and lengthy and voluminously
> JW> documented behaviors on various forms, leaves in some question
> JW> the cause for this possible virus created spoofing of Ken's Email
> JW> address... Hence Richards correctly question of a subject line...
>
> JW> Don Brown wrote:
>
> >> Just knock it off, please. It was a forging virus which started this
> >> thread, inappropriately. Stubbs wasn't responsible and with all the
> >> designations on Jeff William's sig line, he should have known that.
> >>
> >> Many have questioned Jeff William's mental health as well and even
> >> banned him from certain lists. Stop, Jeff - you are not getting any
> >> mileage from this attack. In fact, you look silly.
> >>
> >> Whether I'm on Stubbs' side or not is not the issue, either.
> >>
> >> It is, what it is. Jeff, just stop and do something more
> >> constructive.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Tuesday, April 6, 2004, 8:26:37 PM, Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> JW> Richard, Ken, and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> >> JW> stakeholders/users,
> >>
> >> JW> Richard, Ken in and of himself IS a virus of sorts. Given his long
> >> JW> standing
> >> JW> dismissive and errant ML behaviors on many forums before you became
> >> JW> involved, Mr. Stubbs has frequently displayed a number of varying and
> >> JW> inconsistent attitudes that have left many to question his overall
> >> JW> mental
> >> JW> health from time to time. Hence I would question if he EMAIL you
> >> JW> kindly provided from Ken was a virus at all and was not intentional.
> >> JW> In any event I would be sure to inform the proper authorities in the
> >> JW> UK of your receipt of it, and file an official legal complaint, lest
> >> JW> you desire to continue to receive such fraudulent emails from one
> >> JW> of several other of Ken Stubbs Email addresses in the future...
> >>
> >> JW> Richard Henderson wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I know I've sometimes expressed concerns about Ken Stubbs
> >> >> association with ICANN and how I wondered if that created a conflict
> >> >> of interest at the time that he headed up Afilias's (successful)
> >> >> application for the .info registry... but... I think this virus-laden
> >> >> message I received today was probably sent unwittingly from your
> >> >> computer, and I just want to advise you and the members of this list
> >> >> who may also be in your address book that you seem to have a virus Ken
> >> >> which is sending out very plausible messages to people making them
> >> >> think they are about to lose their e-mail accounts for improper use
> >> >> and tempting them to 'open up' the accompanying document. A phone call
> >> >> to my e-mail provider confirmed that this message purporting to come
> >> >> from them was not from them at all. So please be careful if any of you
> >> >> receive a message like this one below:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Return-Path: <kstubbs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>
> >> >> Received: from [snip]for <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >> >>
> >> >> Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:33:05 +0100
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:34:16 +0100
> >> >>
> >> >> To: richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >> Subject: E-mail account security warning.
> >> >>
> >> >> From: management@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >> Message-ID: <snip >
> >> >>
> >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0
> >> >>
> >> >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> >> >>
> >> >> boundary="--------snip "
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------[snip]
> >> >>
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >> >>
> >> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear user of Ntlworld.com,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Your e-mail account will be disabled because of improper using in
> >> >> next
> >> >>
> >> >> three days, if you are still wishing to use it, please, resign
> >> >> your
> >> >>
> >> >> account information.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Advanced details can be found in attached file.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> The Ntlworld.com team
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------[attached file obviously snipped]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> JW> Regards,
> >>
> >> JW> --
> >> JW> Jeffrey A. Williams
> >> JW> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
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> >>
> >> JW> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> >> JW> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> >> JW> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> >> JW> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> >> JW> ===============================================================
> >> JW> Updated 1/26/04
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> JW> Regards,
>
> JW> --
> JW> Jeffrey A. Williams
> JW> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> JW> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> JW> Pierre Abelard
>
> JW> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> JW> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> JW> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> JW> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> JW> ===============================================================
> JW> Updated 1/26/04
> JW> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> JW> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
> JW> E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> JW> Registered Email addr with the USPS
> JW> Contact Number: 214-244-4827
>
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> Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
> donbrown_l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.inetconcepts.net
> PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049
> Providing Internet Solutions Worldwide - An eDataWeb Affiliate
> ----
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827