[IP] more on Yes, it CAN happen here. (Happening right now, in fact)
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From: Dan Shoop <shoop@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 29, 2006 5:30:02 PM EDT
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Subject: Re: [IP] Yes, it CAN happen here. (Happening right now, in
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At 2:29 PM -0400 9/28/06, David Farber wrote:
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From: Randall <rvh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 28, 2006 2:21:38 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, cuckoosnest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Yes, it CAN happen here. (Happening right now, in fact)
http://htdaw.blogsource.com/post.mhtml?post_id=387160
Thursday, September 28, 2006 at 2:19 PM EDT
"BURIED IN THE complex Senate compromise on detainee treatment is a
real shocker, reaching far beyond the legal struggles about foreign
terrorist suspects in the Guantanamo Bay fortress. The compromise
legislation, which is racing toward the White House, authorizes the
president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if
they have never left the United States. And once thrown into
military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any
other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights"
Actually the new law (it was enacted by a significant majority
yesterday) does no such thing, nor is it in any way buried as to who
it covers. Even a quick read would reveal that it does not apply to
US Citizens at all. It applies ONLY to unlawful alien military
combatants, and defines rather specifically who those are. That is to
say that unless you are an alien (not a citizen of the US) who is
engaged in military combat and who is unlawfully operating without
respect as an actor of a foreign state then this bill doesn't apply
to you. No American citizens may be seized, unless your definition of
"American" includes non-U.S. citizens from the Americas who are
engaged in military operations against the US and are not committing
these aggressions under the guise of some state or country.
That is if a bunch of US citizens go so far as to form a "Death to
Bush Martyrs Brigade", a militia with the sole intention of
aggression against the US or its citizens, government or even the
President, that they aren't covered by this bill. Nor would spies or
foreign agents of any state or country.
Moreover the new law finally affords specific rights to such persons,
including rights to appeals, as well as codifies procedures for fair
trial, specifies that such operatives must be held under US military
control (no secret CIA prisons), and provides against "cruel and
unusual punishment" (complete with specifically prohibited
activities, including use of irons or chains). So it in fact provides
for rights for detainees where none existed before.
It does not deny habeus corpus to U.S. citizens.
The reality of the bill does not match the majority of the rhetoric
of the media nor those that seem to be jumping up and down about it.
I'd suggest those concerned read the new law rather than the
propaganda created around it.
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-dhan
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