[IP] more on Mid-level military officers on responsibility for Iraq
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jock Gill <jg45@xxxxxxx>
Date: April 24, 2006 9:48:11 AM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jock Gill <jg45@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Mid-level military officers on  
responsibility for Iraq
Dave,
For another perspective on a core problem, please feel free to share  
this pointer with IP.
"U.S. Intelligence, like the Department of Defense, is a dinosaur  
from the Cold War, a direct outcome of allowing the military- 
industrial-congressional complex to specify how we spend the taxpayer  
dollar without regard to reality or proper intelligence. We have a  
special interests spy world and a special interests heavy-metal  
military."
<http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/000470.html>
10 Threats to the Public Interest & Security
Robert David Steele
04.18.06, 6:00 PM ET
Why Secret Intelligence is Bad
Director of National Intelligence [DNI] Covers 17.5%
In the Age of Information, when secret sources are less valuable and  
open sources are more essential in understanding reality and crafting  
responsible public policy, what are the ten greatest threats to the  
United States of America? What ten questions should the reformed and  
revitalized Director of National Intelligence (DNI) be able to answer  
for Congress and the public? This challenge has been answered  
generally by the Report of the High-level Panel on Threats,  
Challenges and Change, A more secure world, Our shared responsibility  
(United Nations, 2004), but nothing the DNI is doing today is helpful  
in actually addressing, in a substantive sustained way, each of these  
threats.
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000470.html>
Regards,
Jock
On Apr 24, 2006, at 7:15 AM, David Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message:
From: EEkid@xxxxxxx
Date: April 24, 2006 2:16:53 AM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] Mid-level military officers on responsibility for  
Iraq
Mr. Farber,
Unfortunately, I think the writer of this article doesn't really  
understand the problem.  Prior to the Iraq war, many of our  
nation's military officers were clueless to the realities of the  
battle field.  Sure, some of the most senior officers knew, but  
they became senior officers because at some point in time, they  
became politicians in uniform.  This article brings to mind a day I  
had a couple years before 9/11.  I was attending a Marine Static  
Display, which is a display of military hardware.  I stood there  
shooting the breeze with an officer and we were talking about how  
great the Humvee's were.  I asked if the composite body panels  
where bullet proof and he said no.  I was a bit surprised that they  
didn't take such a rugged design to the next level with some light  
Kevlar armor.  He added, that Humvee's aren't used in areas where  
fighting occurs. He made some comment about the only time "jeeps"  
are on a battle field is in the movies. Immediately my thoughts  
traveled back in time to a family friend who was severely wounded  
in Vietnam while driving a jeep down a dirt road.  He was shot with  
an AK-47.  This wasn't on a battle field. We moved on to another  
display which featured an M-16 with a third generation night vision  
scope.  He commented that the technology was new and only available  
to the military..  I was a bit shocked that he didn't know this  
exact same scope was available on the internet. In fact, I later  
printed out an ad from the internet and gave it to him later. The  
display also had several confiscated AK-47's and he commented that  
they were worthless at a hundred yards because they were so  
inaccurate.  Well, I've personally shot many types of AK-47's from  
all over Europe and Asia and every single one was accurate enough  
to put a bullet on a pie plate at 100 yards with ease.  I walked  
away wondering what would happen if we ever had to go to war.
In addition to this experience, I once had a conversation with an  
officer regarding our reliance on very expensive, slow to produce,  
high tech weaponry.  I commented that we could never fight a large  
scale protracted war with these weapons because we simply couldn't  
build them fast enough.  His response was we will never fight  
another large scale war.  I said, what happens if we were to go to  
war with China?  He said, we will never let that happen because we  
know we can't win without using nuclear weapons.  I walked away  
stunned.
I'm not criticizing  our military here.  Let me make an analogy.   
Suppose you have an engineer who graduated from a good engineering  
school.  He then hangs out with other engineers from other good  
schools.  Yet, none of them have ever designed anything.  After a  
decade or so, they're suddenly given a very complex, large scale  
and taxing engineering project to do in a short amount of time.   
They are going to make mistakes and miscalculations, we as humans  
can learn from books but we learn the most about our environment by  
doing.  Sure, I know our military constantly trains, but I bet they  
didn't train in an environment with real roadside IED's and car  
bombs in public places on a regular basis.
Jerry
In a message dated 4/23/2006 7:09:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dave@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
There is a fascinating article in this morning's New York Times,  
based on interviews with mid-level officers and others, suggesting  
widespread discontent and debate within the military over the  
failure of  senior officers to give candid advice to Rumseld and  
the Adminsitration about the reasoins why the invasion of Iraq  
would be a mistake.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/washington/23military.html? 
hp&ex=1145851200&en=307b714052e595e5&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Officers making such comments as,
"This is about the moral bankruptcy of general officers who lived  
through the Vietnam era yet refused to advise our civilian  
leadership properly," said one Army major in the Special Forces who  
has served two combat tours. "I can only hope that my generation  
does better someday."  and
"The history I will take away from this is that the current crop of  
generals failed to stand up and say, 'We cannot do this mission.'  
They confused the cultural can-do attitude with their  
responsibilities as leaders to delay the start of the war until we  
had an adequate force. I think the backlash against the general  
officers will be seen in the resignation of officers" who might  
otherwise have stayed in uniform."
There was also an interesting angle on Condoleeza Rice's famous  
comment about "thousands of errors," casting it in a light I had  
not considered, as a slap at the military and a deflection of  
responsibility for the Administration's own failures:
The debates are fueled by the desire to mete out blame for the  
situation in Iraq, a drawn-out war that has taken many military  
lives and has no clear end in sight. A midgrade officer who has  
served two tours in Iraq said a number of his cohorts were angered  
last month when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that  
"tactical errors, a thousand of them, I am sure," had been made in  
Iraq.
"We have not lost a single tactical engagement on the ground in  
Iraq," the officer said, noting that the definition of tactical  
missions is specific movements against an enemy target. "The  
mistakes have all been at the strategic and political levels."
Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation
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