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[IP] more on French protests



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From: Nicholas Solntseff <n.solntseff@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: April 9, 2006 4:50:57 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] more on French protests

A note from Canada --

There are two (extreme) options for the supervisor of an employee
(whatever the age)

Option 1 -- be able to fire employee X without giving any reasons
                  (or cause) for the firing

and

Option 2 -- having kept careful records of employee X's performance
                  (whether required by law or not) to explain to X the
cause of the firing and, possibly if the employer is fair, tell X what need to be done by him to avoid this in future 
                  at other employment.

What the French students are protesting is the firing without reason
now part of French law.

nicholas SOlntseff.....

At 06:18 AM 09/04/2006, you wrote:



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From: Russ Nelson <nelson@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: April 9, 2006 2:41:19 AM EDT
To: Chris Beck <cbeck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, Steven Hertzberg <stevenstevensteven@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [IP] more on French protests

Chris Beck writes:

Rumour has it David Farber, on or about 08.Apr.2006 08:11, whispered:

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The effect of the bill will be to make it easier for young workers to 
be fired.  But consider the current state of affairs.  Right now
it is


Surely there is a middle ground between guaranteed employment and
"Fire at will!"?


Did you misread what I wrote as "guaranteed employment"?  I wrote
"guaranteed unemployment."

The "middle ground" you hope exists is a situation where some young
workers have jobs they can't lose, and the rest of them are
unemployed.  Perversely, that might actually be an optimum solution.
You see, nobody has any fear or uncertainty.  The employed young
workers know they won't lose their job, and the unemployed young
workers also know they won't lose their job, because .... they don't
have one to lose.

If you're in the situation that France is in, with lots of young
workers going without jobs, and you think that's a bad thing, you
should remove all barriers to employment.  An inability to fire a
worker is a barrier to employing them in the first place.

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