[IP] (UAL)  more on Hidden dangers in "free" air tickets
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From: Jason Weisberger <jweisberger@xxxxxxx>
Date: January 7, 2006 5:16:10 PM EST
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Hidden dangers in "free" air tickets
The problem begins in having a seat assignment or not, I believe.  
United has always treated a paid ticket as a purchase order, in the  
realm of their responsibilities. In the realm of yours, its always  
non-refundable but useable as a credit - for a fee. Totally unbalanced.
If you buy a ticket with miles, make sure you always have a seat  
assignment. If they say part of the itinerary is on a partner airline  
and they can not get a seat assignment - call the other airline and  
get a seat assignment. Miles are as good as cash, and they have to  
honor it - but only if you have a seat assignment.  In overbooking  
situations its always the person without a seat assignment who gets  
the shaft - not the full paid ticket or some other criteria (which  
comes into play later.) If you are holding a ticket with a seat  
number on it, you are at least going to be able to walk onto the  
plane and see if someone else is in your seat :) When the double  
assigned seat crisis starts is when the give-aways begin. Sadly, who  
the heck wants a free ticket on an airline that couldn't make a paid  
for ticket work.
I have, several times, had UAL bump my upgrade back down  after  
confirming it, while I was standing at the airport because they  
managed to sell the seat. They always create a raft of lies and force  
me to deal with their worthless customer care program.  One flight  
from Miami to SFO I was seated next to someone else who was also  
bumped back from 1st to steerage.  Once in the air we went and asked  
the 2 people in our un-upgraded seats when they booked and how they  
paid. Last minute couple who paid insanely high full fares.  United  
denies it to this day.
Moral of the story - due your diligence to ensure you have the  
highest probability of not getting the shaft, then be prepared to get  
the shaft anyways.
On Jan 7, 2006, at 1:55 PM, David Farber wrote:
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From: Johan <johan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: January 7, 2006 3:05:40 PM EST
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, plevy@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] Hidden dangers in "free" air tickets
Paul Levy writes:
About a month ago, on one such call, I learned really by  
happenstance  that the evening flight DOWN to Santiago was no  
leaving an hour  earlier, so that the connecting flight we were  
taking to Toronto  would not get us there in time so make the  
connection.  But nobody  had bothered to let us know of this change.
That is very strange indeed, unless you bought the two tickets  
separately, in which case the airline wouldn't be able to track them.
>
> So, we  get
to Toronto and learn the truth -- it is not that seats are to be   
assigned day of travel, but they have oversold the flight and  
even  though WE made our reservations in February, oddly enough WE  
are the  ones who have no seats and we have to hope that enough  
people don't  show up so that we can take our vacation.
> In the end, we did get on the plane, and we had a wonderful  
vacation;
> but the experience left a bitter tatse in our mouths about US  
Airways
> and Air Canada.
Alas, that is how most airilines work, not just those two; there is  
a well defined seniority ordering of who gets kicked off the plane  
if it is too full, and unfortunately, how well in advance you made  
your reservation has no impact on that.   First class passengers  
trump economy, full fare trumps lower fare, low fare trumps free  
tickets, premium frequent fliers trump non-premiums, and  
unaccompanied minors trump everyone but the pilot.
It used to be that the gate agents had alot of discretion over who  
to kick and who to upgrade, but like so many other fields, this is  
being increasingly regulated by codifed and verifed policies.
Johan
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