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From: h_bray@xxxxxxxxx
Date: September 10, 2005 8:04:32 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [IP] more on "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says
I'm always bewildered when people put out silly "studies" like this
one.
What on earth does it prove? One could just as easily say that
fighting
the American Civil War saved few lives, and so the South should
have been
allowed to secede. Or that Britain should have allowed Napoleon
free rein
in Europe. Both these decisions would have saved countless lives.
Yet I
don't think too many sane people would today say that the Civil War
or the
Napoleonic Wars were a complete waste of time.
Which of course is the point. Whether a war is worth fighting
depends on
whether the causes are just and sufficient to justify the shedding of
blood. And studies like this one have precisely nothing to say on
that
subject.
Hiawatha Bray
David Farber
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From: ken kousky <kkousky@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 10, 2005 9:23:28 AM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, 'Ip Ip' <ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [IP] "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says
By far, the most deadly threat to American's today is a pandemic bird
flu.
Europe is seeing a real epidemic of bird flu as we focus on Katrina
and
again we are completely unprepared.
It is noteworthy that even the FBI's security and risk assessment
reports
are actively tracking the bird flu in Europe. The danger is a "cross-
over"
to a human variant - a real possibility. A risk to be managed.
Until we get better at looking seriously at expected losses
analytically and
then treating a reduction in risk as a real economic benefit, we're
not
likely to see things change.
Ken Kousky
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From: Randall <rvh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 8, 2005 10:24:54 PM EDT
To: Dave <dave@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says
http://tinyurl.com/d5pl6
"War on terror" saves few lives: expert
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent 6 minutes ago
The U.S. "war on terror" is saving fewer lives than just spending the
money on disease prevention and research, and has probably caused
deaths
by taking money away from basic services, an expert said on Thursday.
The accusation is not new, but Dr. Erica Frank of the Department of
Family and Preventive Medicine at Emory University School of
Medicine in
Atlanta said she has calculated the cost, in terms of lives, of the
Bush
administration's terror policies.
"The most recent effects of these diversions of funding have been seen
in the unfolding tragedy of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans and the
surrounding area," Frank wrote in a commentary published in the
British
Medical Journal.
"Governments must protect their citizens, and anticipating these
possible future threats is appropriate and could prove essential to
Americans' health."
Frank warned there is a threat that because of the U.S. government's
policy, enormous numbers of Americans will die unnecessarily.
On September 11, 2001, 3,400 people died because of the four
intentional
plane crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. But 5,200
other
Americans died that same day from common diseases, according to Frank.
To estimate how many Americans died of routine causes on September 11,
Frank used national estimates of mortality from various causes.
"Predictable tragedies happen every day. We know strategies to reduce
deaths from tobacco, alcohol, poor diet, unintentional injuries, and
other predictable causes. And we know that millions of people will die
unless we protect the population against these routine causes of
death,"
she wrote.
Yet more money is spent to protect against deaths that are not
likely to
happen.
"For example, in September 2002, New York was awarded $1.3 million to
reduce heart disease, the leading killer of New Yorkers, while $34
million was awarded for bioterrorism preparedness in the state," Frank
added.
Proponents have argued that bioterror preparedness would build up the
public health structure in general.
"If this is an improvement it sure is frightening to think what this
might have looked like before," Frank said in a telephone interview.
She cited numerous reports showing the federal government cut spending
to reinforce the levees built to protect New Orleans from the flood
that
has devastated the city.
"Since the point of investing in counterterror is to protect American
lives, the question is a dollar better spent in Iraq or is it better
spent here?" she asked.
--
"We've got the hatemongers who literally hate this president, and that
is so wrong. . . . The people who hate George Bush hate him because
he's
a follower of Jesus Christ, unashamedly says so and applies his
faith in
his day-to-day operations." -- Rev. Jerry Falwell, on C-SPAN's
"Washington Journal"
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