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From: jchobbs3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: September 3, 2005 8:36:53 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, Ip Ip <ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [IP] more on "United States of Shame"


Dave

Thanks for forwarding Norman's note....appears to be the thoughtful work of a somewhat non-partisan commentator. Easy to pick apart "weird" comments from all sides....like a reported Kennedy comment that God was punishing the Mississippi Governor or the weird "an atomic" bomb in the mix was not contemplated by the Director of Homeland Security! Look at the history folks,big # 4 or 5 storms have been banging the gulf coast since way before "global warming" and large concentrations of populations on the coasts!

Admittedly,the underlying problems are truly horrific in an area the size of the UK and many of your post's correctly highlight potential contributing factor "politics as usual" reality such as the $232M Alaska "bridge to no where" funding appropriation in the recent Congressional transportation bill vs alledged Corps of Engineer budget cuts in New Orleans as a classic example. We gotta find a better way to allocate budget resources....current "bring home the bacon" for a bingo museum mentality has become too bizzare.....because recently neither political party appears interested in taxpayer "bang for the buck"

So,I have not been active on you IP site for many years,but as I recall from very early days,used to be mostly folks of science and technology. Accordingly,I am somewhat dismayed to see people casting specific pin point blame without emperical evidence or certainty! [ this is indicative of the general hostility the previous two administrations have caused in the USA the blues hated one president and the reds the other. djf] Yea,so the President did not tear up like perhaps Bill Clinton might have during a speech....is that proof positive that he does not care about the plight of the homeless poor people in NO??

This is a big country with complex governmental structures and probably way too much bureaucracy....even the much debated requirement that New Orleans Police department officers must reside in the city limits probably had an impact. However, as Norman implies below,viewed as comparative case studies,the Mississippi governor appears to have better anticipated the scope of the challenges than counterparts to the west next door. Admittedly,the subsequent flooding in NO makea an absolute comparision somewhat bogus.

For the record it would be interesting to know, how many previous administrations of either party have been declared or designated geographical disaster areas before the disaster?

Not trying to start a fight here,let's just get the folks rescued and safe before tossing the political grenades in our red state vs blue state battles! At the end of the day,what counts is learning from the mis-judgements of all stakeholders and never repeating the same mistakes again.

Jim





From: David Farber <dave@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/09/03 Sat PM 05:53:26 EDT
To: Ip Ip <ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [IP] more on   "United States of Shame"



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From: Norman MacLeod <gaelwolf@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: September 3, 2005 5:41:58 PM EDT
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [IP] "United States of Shame"



Certainly an interesting read.  Once again, it's all the fault of the
Bush
administration.

Let's see...1953...more than 1,800 Dutch citizens die when a massive
storm
hits The Netherlands.  They respond by completing the Deltawerk in
about ten
years.  Do we build a levee system around New Orleans that will
protect the
city against a Category 5 hurricane?  We didn't then, and 52 years
later the
answer remains no.

We know the technology that would have prevented a substantial
portion of
this disaster existed more than 50 years ago. After all, a nation only
eight years out of being completely trashed by WWII was able to use
it to
protect its citizens. Nine successive U.S. administrations and multiple Congresses dominated by both of our major parties at one time or another failed to come up with a similar project as a priority in the wealthiest
nation in the world.

Where were the primary leadership lapses that exacerbated the scope
of the
disaster in New Orleans?  In New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

If a Category 5 hurricane has its sights on your city, and you know
that it
will take three days to accomplish a reasonably complete evacuation
of your
citizenry, should you wait until the morning before that hurricane
hits to
get the mandatory evacuation under way? Probably not...but that's what happened in New Orleans. The city also now has a fleet of ruined school
buses sitting in their parking lots.  Why were they not used in
evacuating
the city?  They could have been used to get thousands out of harm's
way, and
they would still be on the road, helping accomplish the needed relief
missions.

When you are the governor, and the governors of the two other states the
hurricane are going to hit are federalizing their National Guard
resources,
why do you wait for the President to call you and urge you to do what it takes to allow the federal government to start prioritizing resources in
your direction?  I don't know whether Governor Blanco will ever
provide us
with an adequate answer for that one.

Once it's apparent that you need every resource at hand to help get
the rest
of a city's people out of the catastrophe zone, should you tell the Red
Cross that they can't put resources into your city?  Up to last
night, at
least, the Red Cross was being held out of New Orleans. Certainly they
should not be setting up shelters in New Orleans itself, but they
should be
allowed in to help coordinate the evacuation.

The federal government's disaster response responsibilities generally
ramp
up after the initial local and state responses are overtaken by
events.  The
federal government's responsibility is to sustain the recovery
operations
over the long haul.

One of the things that bothers me the most is that the same
challenges that
New Orleans faced in evacuating the city on this occasion happened
only a
year ago in the run-up to Hurricane Ivan.  Fortunately, Ivan spared
the city
a serious blow.  Katrina was not as kind.  How come the leadership in
New
Orleans and Baton Rouge didn't fix the problems after the preview
they had
last year?

There was serious destruction in Mississippi and Alabama. That both of
those states are coping better than Louisiana points to the
impression that
there are some serious leadership problems in Louisiana, and that you
can't
blame it all on the administration in Washington.

     Norman




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