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From: Tim O'Reilly <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: August 12, 2005 7:59:21 PM EDT
To: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: dave@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: "Google Print" and Ethics


Gosh, I'm a publisher, and I see the ethics very differently. Here's the way publishing actually works:

* Author labors for a year or years to produce a work, often in the hope that he or she will "win the lottery" and have a bestseller. Publisher effectively gets its product for less than the cost of production (except in the case of the bestselling authors at the top of the heap, who get overpaid for their efforts, like most superstars.) Other authors do it for the reputation, or the readership, but whatever the reason, publishers don't really pay very much for the IP that they "own."

* Publisher throws the product into the market and sees what sticks. Most books are never promoted, never reprinted. Author didn't win the lottery. (Many years ago, the Science Fiction Writers of America audit committee did an amazing writeup in the SFWA bulletin about the economics of science fiction publishing. Boiled down to a nutshell, what they discovered was this: that publishers calculated their advances to authors on a first print run and an expected return rate (50% in the case of mass market science fiction). If the book did as expected, the author is out of luck, because the publisher only would continue to support the book if the return rate was less than expected. In short, it's a "house always wins, player almost always loses, but enough people win big to keep the suckers coming back" kind of business.) (I note that not all publishers operate like this -- including O'Reilly! -- but there's enough truth to it as an industry pattern that it begs the ethics question.)

* Publishers do pay for the cost of printing and the risk of returns, and a lot of operational cost, so this business model is the result of a lot of economic realities. This is not typically a "rich" industry, and there are a lot of publishers who, like authors, do it as a labor of love. Nonetheless, once the costs have been sunk, and the experiment run, the "long tail" of publishing is left to trail away on its own, without a lot of continued promotion and attention.

* Along comes a player who says "I have a way to promote those books that the publishers have thrown away, creating an opportunity for them to find readers, and eventually, sales." The publishers complain, because they are worried that someone else is going to make money from their slag heap, or more likely, because they are worried that there's some downside risk to their top sellers, even if there's a lot of benefit to the bottom and mid-list books. This is the same situation I wrote about back in 2001 in my essay <a href="http:// www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/ 2002/12/11/piracy.html&e=10342">Piracy is Progressive Taxation</a>

I find the argument to ethics on the other side unconvincing. You can cast it how you want. Google isn't "borrowing" the books from libraries. They are partnering with libraries to do something that is very much in line with the mission of libraries, which is to store and share human knowledge. As to whether the reaction would be the same if Microsoft, and not Google, had done it: I suspect it would indeed be the same. Publishers would be complaining, and I would be applauding. You say:


Google made
     essentially a "sweetheart" deal with libraries that benefits
     Google vastly and also benefits the libraries, but pays not a
     dime to the copyright holders.


Yes, and what's wrong with that? If the libraries had done it themselves, would the copyright holders have any grounds to complain? If they then shared their scanned copies for the limited purposes of making a super card catalog (which is what Google's Library service provides), would the copyright holders have the right to complain? That's essentially what's happening, except that Google is facilitating the effort.

If Google were offering the full Google Print style service, where they were actually showing full pages from the copyrighted work, I'd completely agree with you. But they are scanning the books in order to provide search, and showing only snippets that would indeed be completely fair use if the catalog were created manually. It's less than is quoted in any book review.

You say:


This is all yet another example of an extremely worrisome sensibility
in some segments of the Internet world -- that somehow the virtual
world of the Internet exists (or should exist) outside and apart
from the rules of law and concepts of ethics that have long guided
us in the physical world.  It's obvious that laws must change and
evolve faster to keep pace with the rapid rate of technological
change -- many of today's technology-related problems are the result
of just such a lag.  But basic ethics should *not* be degraded in the
Internet world, simply by virtue of the facts that servers in
data centers and billionaire-based "coolness" are involved.


I couldn't disagree more. Law is always dynamic, and the way that it catches up with reality is through people pushing the boundaries. (See Lessig's Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace for some great accounts on this front.) And the reality that it tends to catch up with are the prevailing ethics of a society. And the ethics of copyright, to me, are to benefit the author and the reader, and to incentivize investment in the "progress of science and the useful arts." (I know I'm borrowing from patent language here, but the same principle applies.)

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