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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:31:43 -0400
From: Bob Frankston <Bob2-19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [IP] more on what your children learn in school
To: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, ip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
While it is hard to give a complex message in elementary school this
particular one is offensive and dangerous. Once we make this a moral issue
there is no room for nor even the concept of a discussion of the issues.
It's part of the Santa Claus tradition that assumes we can easily
distinguish good from evil and outlaw evil. We can create the .XXX domain
for evil and the .KIDs domain for good. We can ban phone calls from bad
people (the do-not-call list) and ban mail from spammers (bad people). No
need for nuance or ambiguity.
We can even allow free speech as long as nothing says anything wrong.
This is the problem with consolidation of media -- the messages reinforce
their audience's prejudice.
There is indeed a contradiction -- limiting media concentration is a form of
censorship and I look forward to the end of the control over the channels
that is associated with the telecommunications model that presumes the
transport and contents are tied together.
Once we get past that then we will have to address the question of whether
people actually want to see ideas that challenge them -- just because
they're available doesn't mean they will be heard. But it's a risk we'll
have to take.
-----Original Message-----
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Dave Farber
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 14:44
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Subject: [IP] more on what your children learn in school
Just what came to my mind
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>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:58:23 -0700
>From: Bob Hinden <hinden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [IP] what your children learn in school
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>To: "Janos G." <janos451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: dave@xxxxxxxxxx, hinden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>Janos,
>
>I suspect this will have the opposite effect as intended. It will teach
>the kids that stealing music and films is cool. If the big media
>companies say it is bad, then it must be....
>
>These kind of messages haven't exactly stopped kids drinking alcohol,
>taking drugs, sex, etc.
>
>Bob
>
>
>At 01:10 AM 9/26/2003, Dave Farber wrote:
>
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>>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:51:41 -0700
>>From:
>>Subject: "Interesting!"
>>To: Farber-IP <dave@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>[what your children learn in school]
>>
>>Studios Moving to Block Piracy of Films Online
>>
>>By LAURA M. HOLSON The New York Times
>>9/25/03
>>.... fourth paragraph
>>
>>Also, as early as next month the industry will begin promoting a "stealing
>>is bad" message in schools, teaming up with Junior Achievement on an
>>hourlong class for fifth through ninth graders on the history of copyright
>>law and the evils of online file sharing. The effort includes games like
>>Starving Artist, in which students pretend to be musicians whose work is
>>downloaded free from the Internet, and a crossword puzzle called Surfing
>>for Trouble.
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Janos Gereben/SF
>>www.sfcv.org
>>janos451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
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