Re: [ga] Re: [Politech] Dick Cheney's domain name misstep

[Andy Gardner <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It's fun watching Jeff trying to frantically backpedal out of GETTING 
IT ALL WRONG, claiming a 15 point lead but unable to back it up with 
any evidence at all of where this 15 points came from.

Let's sum up the thread so far...

1. Jeffie blames Soros for failing to control who links to his site. 
Here's his quote, since he selectively edited it out of the thread...

> > > > I didn't say that George Soros registered factcheck.com, but
> > > > he or whomever his webmaster allowed the link to georgesoros.com,
> > > > which George is responsible for I assume...

2. Andy points out that such a thing is impossible to do.

3. Jeffie replies with...

> > Of course it is very possible to stop any link to any other web site
> > and/or domain name Andy.  I thought you knew that...  I guess I was
> > mistaken that you did.....  Shame on me!  :/

4. Andy points out that Jeffie might be thinking it's possible by 
checking the (entirely optional and easily forged) HTTP_REFERER header.

5. Jeffie, horrified that himself, the much beloved "CSO/DIR. Internet 
Network Eng. SR. Eng." of the imaginary "Network data security IDNS. 
div." of the imaginary "Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC." has just 
been proved to know very little about the HTTP protocol, tries to 
deflect attention to his serious error by belittling MY intelligence.

6. Andy, not being one to let idiocy be left to fester unaided, remind 
Jeffie that he's avoiding the question...

> > > > how you can identify what website link someone has visited your
> > > > website from, apart from the optional HTTP_REFERER header.

7. Finally Jeffie admits it is impossible, but rather than admit in 
public he was wrong, claims that this has distracted the thread, calls 
my question irrelevant on more than one level (any guesses what those 
levels are?) and then claimed HE'S educating ME. Laughable.

8. Satisfied that I have shown Jeffie up for the charlatan that he is, 
I claim victory.

9. Jeffie, appears to see things differently - perhaps he went to the 
same maths class as George Bush? - and claims that HE was proved right 
and I wrong. Then he comes out with the completely bizarre, meaningless 
sentence ( again much like his hero GWB would)...

> As I do not have a specific web site or Domain
> Name there is no blocking involved.  Hence you again have made a
> error.  Try again Andy...

OK. It's clearly time that Jeffie's doctor made some changes to the 
medication levels because little Jeffie's clearly not firing on all 
cylinders right now. A shame that someone who claims to be an Internet 
expert can even get a grasp of the HTTP protocol.

Duped any newbie journalists lately, Jeffie?

I think this display of Jeff's technical incompetence deserves a spot 
in the "Jeff Williams FAQ" (249 hits for that phrase at Google).



On Oct 9, 2004, at 9:03 PM, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Andy and all former DNSO GA members or other interested 
> stakeholders/users,
>
>   No Andy 0 Jeff 15+
>
>   Again you misinterpreted what I said. That much is very clear in this
> now distracted thread.  As I do not have a specific web site or Domain
> Name there is no blocking involved.  Hence you again have made a
> error.  Try again Andy...
>
> Andy Gardner wrote:
>
> > Exactly. They can't. Finally an admission.
> >
> > Andy 1, Jeff 0
> >
> > But thank you for playing.
> >
> > Next time you should admit you've screwed up BEFORE digging a deeper
> > hole for yourself.
> >
> > On Oct 9, 2004, at 2:59 AM, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Andy and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> > > stakeholders/users,
> > >
> > > Andy Gardner wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm hoping to keep learning the rest of my life.
> > >
> > >   I for one and glad to read  you are.  I also join you
> > > and I believe many others in this endeavor.
> > >
> > > > So, since I am a slow learner, but willing to try, how about you 
> > > > tell
> > > > me how you can identify what website link someone has visited your
> > > > website from, apart from the optional HTTP_REFERER header.
> > >
> > >   They can't.  However this distraction from the original thread
> > > subject line, was not about how they can, but how they can be
> > > blocked from doing so...  Hence  your question is irrelevant
> > > or more than one level, but answered regardless for your
> > > further education and understanding...
> > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure others on the forum would also like to hear?
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 8, 2004, at 12:39 AM, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Andy and all,
> > > > >
> > > > >   Sorry again Andy, I just have two very nice biscuits.  >:)
> > > > > And sorry again also as your being yet again assuming
> > > > > in your response.  I was in no way referring to HTTP_REFERER.
> > > > > So as you say, nice try but no go again...
> > > > >
> > > > > But I encourage you to keep learning and working...  Someday
> > > > > you'll get it.  And also remember your not the only slow learner,
> > > > > there are others that suffer from that infliction.  Thankfully I am
> > > > > not one of them...
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Gardner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > To or from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is Jeffie labouring under the misapprehension that all browsers 
> > > > > > send
> > > > > > HTTP_REFERER information?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nice try, but no biscuit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 8, 2004, at 12:11 AM, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy and all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Of course it is very possible to stop any link to any other web
> > > > > > > site
> > > > > > > and/or domain name Andy.  I thought you knew that...  I guess I 
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > mistaken that you did.....  Shame on me!  :/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Gardner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:32 PM, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Art and all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   I didn't say that George Soros registered factcheck.com, but
> > > > > > > > > he or whomever his webmaster allowed the link to 
> > > > > > > > > georgesoros.com,
> > > > > > > > > which George is responsible for I assume...
> > > > > > > > Hmmm. You obviously need to get one of your 134k+ INEGroup 
> > > > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > explain to you in simple words how it is impossiblt to control 
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > links to your website.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Never assume, because it makes an ass out of Jeff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders
> > > > > > > strong!)
> > > > > > > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from 
> > > > > > > others" -
> > > > > > >     Pierre Abelard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, 
> > > > > > > B;
> > > > > > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > > > > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > > > > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > > > > > ===============================================================
> > > > > > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > > > > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > > > > > IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> > > > > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> > > > > > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders
> > > > > strong!)
> > > > > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > > > >     Pierre Abelard
> > > > >
> > > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > > > ===============================================================
> > > > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > > > IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> > > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> > > > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders 
> > > strong!)
> > > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > >     Pierre Abelard
> > >
> > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > ===============================================================
> > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> > > E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
>     Pierre Abelard
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827