> What is better is to be honest, straight forward, > insistant, consistent, and persistent. I can agree with that. Liberals and Democrats have turned into girlie-men and girlie-women, and they're afraid to stand up for anything that is considered on the "Left." They need to stop apologizing and start standing up for what they believe in and what is right. Conservatives and Libertarians do it, but Liberals have lost their way. Art