Re: [ga] war on terrorism trough internet - as seen in 2000
Don and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,
And "Round and round we go again"!
First off a small correction. Al Gore lost the 2000 election all by
himself for obvious and already well discussed reasons, of which
his comment, "I invented the Internet" misspeak. All this despite
the hanging, pregnant, or otherwise error laden chad and the
Supreme Court deciding the election results..
Anyway I thought all this time that Vint Cerf was the father
of the internet... Does that mean Al Gore was the mother??
>;) Or is such self proclaimed and tacit acknowledgments
of dubious origin, just more nonsense for the masses???
So in agreement with Don here, yes PNAC is stacked with
extreme right wing Republicans. Most of which are in line with
socialist views of the extreme right wing variety. And we do
agree that PNAC is certainly no mecca as well that in this
instance I also agree that Jefsey is way off base here..
Don Brown wrote:
> "Here we go again" -- But let's get the facts a bit straighter as we
> go, though.
>
> Let's not forgot about FL and the hanging chad. The voice of the
> people was far from loud, clear, convincing and far from in unison. In
> contrast, it was a close race which was ultimately decided by a
> Republican dominated Supreme Court. The Supreme's effectively elected
> G.W. without clear judicial authority to do so. Just like ICANN plays,
> they did it because they could get away with it.
>
> The statement about Gore inventing the Internet was a Clinton faux
> pas - similar to another Clinton quote ". . . I didn't inhale . . ."
>
> Gore might have a public personality as exciting as card board, but
> the fact is he could have very well won the election. No one can say
> for sure. The ICANN landscape might also be different, under his more
> people-centric views.
>
> The PNAC is certainly not a "U.S. Policy Mecca." It is a right-wing,
> conservative, Republican, special interest group. Take a look at the
> credentials of it's leadership - they are on the web site, too.
>
> The document referenced was not written by Al Gore, it was a criticism
> of Al Gore's policy, although twisted to support the view of the
> special interest.
>
> Moreover, it would be incredibly foolish to paint all Americans and
> the United States with the conservative, right-wing oriented,
> Republican brush of the PNAC - just the same as it would be to base
> anything solely upon the liberal views of a different such
> special interest organization.
>
> This is a case where you need to eat the whole elephant, rather than
> have just a bite out of only one part of it. It would also be wise to
> filter on political motives and agenda's in order to isolate the truth
> from the political, self-ingratiating BS.
>
> Other than that, I agree with Jeff, in his disagreement with Jefsey's
> views.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Friday, November 21, 2003, 10:30:05 PM, Jeff Williams
> <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> JW> Jefsey and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> JW> stakeholders/users,
>
> JW> Here we go again... :/
>
> JW> The US voters desires are and were loud and clear. Al Gore, a
> JW> self described "I invented the internet" is unfortunately not the winner
>
> JW> of the 2000 election and who's ideas were broadly rejected by
> JW> american voters.
>
> JW> Good or right ideas need not be complex as Jefsey suggest, often
> JW> complex ideas are not the BEST ideas or ideas that fit well with
> JW> the stakeholders/users... But of course citizens of countries that
> JW> have a large segment of their respective governments that are
> JW> socialists and strongly anti democratic as well and anti american
> JW> would espouse that complex ideas are superior for reason or
> JW> reasons usually grounded in arrogance and ignorance...
>
> JW> J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
>
> >> I went to the US policy Mecca ( http://newamericancentury.org ) and
> >>
> >> searched for "Internet". A part from learning that the Internet was
> >> invented by ... Al Gore, I read this of some interest.
> >>
> >> <quote>
> >> The "new security agenda" that Vice President Gore lays out is a
> >> shopping
> >> cart brimming with serious, semi-serious and less-than-serious policy
> >> concerns. However, the serious concerns are hardly new; conversely,
> >> the new
> >> concerns distort the concept of national security. According to the
> >> vice
> >> president, in addition to the traditional security concerns with war,
> >> peace
> >> and alliances, his administration would expand its security focus to
> >> include not only terrorism and the international drug trade, but also
> >> corruption abroad, pandemics, ecological problems, empowerment of
> >> third-world women and children, ratification of the Kyoto Agreement,
> >> and
> >> expanding access to the Internet.
> >>
> >> This is a strikingly original definition of what constitutes American
> >> national security. More striking still is the manner in which Gore
> >> would
> >> address them: a renewed, even expanded, commitment to multilateralism.
> >>
> >> Claims Gore: "To meet these challenges requires cooperation on a scale
> >> not
> >> seen before....[T]he world today demands reinvigorated international
> >> and
> >> regional institutions."
> >> </quote>
> >>
> >> I never known why I was not excited by Mr. Gore. But his suggestions
> >> seem
> >> to be either adopted or in the way to be imposed by reality to his
> >> successfull challenger.
> >>
> >> Would that be that simple wrong ideas are always more successfull than
> >>
> >> corect complex ideas. (Tocqueville).
> >> jfc
> >>
> >>
>
> JW> Regards,
>
> JW> --
> JW> Jeffrey A. Williams
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>
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> JW> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801