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RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel



Mike,
 
Please be careful about claiming that the GNSO Council found that abusive registrations are within scope of policy development.  A vote to initiate a PDP has an extremely low threshold and there has been no decision by the Council that domain name abuse is within scope. On another level, it is not the Council's role to define what is within scope so your point is somewhat inappropriate even if it was accurate.
In my opinion, initiating a PDP on Domain Name Abuse would have a similar result as we have seen in the Fast Flux PDP.  I am sure you read the comments of one BC rep and former chair of that WG.  I personally think he makes a strong case that we prematurely intiated a PDP for fast flux.  I believe the Fast Flux PDP WG has done some very good work so I do not want to minimize that, but I believe we would have been more effective if we tackled the problem more deliberately instead of rushing into a PDP.
 
We have limited resources and if we rush into a PDP everytime there is a problem even though there may not be a clear policy issue that could be worked, we are going to burn people out and have trouble getting volunteers in the future.  That won't result in good policy and it will limit our abiltity to succeed on other policy development efforts.
 
Chuck


From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:41 PM
To: GNSO Council
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel

Thanks Liz.  I appreciate the attempt to clarify, but I am still not clear about what is in and out of potential scope.  With both the UDRP (cybersquatting) and fast flux exploits, nobody would care whether the domain in question was registered, if it were not used in a criminal and/or infringing (aka abusive) manner.  The ICANN Board (wrt the UDRP) and ICANN Staff and GNSO Council (wrt fast flux exploits) have found that abusive registrations are within scope of GNSO policy development, and there is further support for that in the mission statement. 

 

I don’t understand the distinction that Staff seems to be trying to make now, nor how it impacts the Council’s decision-making on next steps to address this Issues Report.  If any Councilors or Staff have ideas, I’d love to hear them.  My thought is we should launch a PDP to determine whether gTLD registries and registrars should have a consistent set of minimum standards and processes to deal with abusive registrations.  Assuming so, what are those standards and processes?  The Afilias funnel request provides one possible way, several other ideas have been floated in the Fast Flux WG, in ICM’s .xxx proposal re “Rapid Takedown”, and elsewhere.

 

Policy development is imperative to address the current volume of abusive registrations, and especially with newTLDs coming online next year, and with the expected growth in use of IDNs.  Private and public law enforcement entities are already overstressed to deal with the volume and intensity of abusive registration problems, and the growth of the domain space will only increase that stress.  Businesses, individuals and non-profit entities cannot be expected to continue footing the bill for so-called ‘defensive registrations’ in effort to protect their brands, and instead ICANN must develop post-registration mechanisms to effectively deal with abusive registrations.  A solid set of minimum standards and processes, required of all accredited registrars and gTLD registries, would be a good start.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 


From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:40 PM
To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'GNSO Council'
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel

 

Mike and all,

 

Thank you for your inquiry.  The sentences you asked about in the registration abuse issues report should be read in the context of the preceding sentences in that paragraph, which read as follows:

 

"Note, section 4.2.3 of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement between ICANN and accredited registrars provides for the establishment of new and revised consensus policies concerning the registration of domain names, including abuse in the registration of names, but policies involving the use of a domain name (unrelated to its registration) are outside the scope of policies that ICANN could enforce on registries and/or registrars."

 

For your reference, RAA section 4.2.3 provides that ICANN may obligate registrars to implement new policies concerning the "resolution of disputes concerning the registration of Registered Names (as opposed to the use of such domain names), including where the policies take into account use of the domain names ..."

 

<http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm#4.2.3>

 

In the case of fast flux we said that some aspects of fast flux hosting are within scope because fast flux involves the rapid update of nameserver registration records in gTLDs.  Rapid update of nameserver registration records specifically involves the registration of names, which can be distinguished from a case where a name, once registered, resolves to a site that contains infringing or otherwise abusive content.  While ICANN could change policy with regard to updates of nameserver registration records, ICANN might not be able to impose any new obligations on registrars concerning pure content/use disputes.

 

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

 

Thanks, Liz

 

From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:51 AM
To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'GNSO Council'
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel

 

Sorry, tired today, re-sending to clarify that this is a request for clarification from ICANN Counsel, not the GNSO Council.  Thanks.

 


From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:36 AM
To: 'GNSO Council'
Subject: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Council

 

Hi,

 

I refer to Sec. 7.1 of the Report, which ends with these sentences:

 

The use of domain names may be taken into account when establishing or changing registration policies. Thus, potential changes to existing contractual provisions related to abuse in the registration of names would be within scope of GNSO policy making. Consideration of new policies related to the use of a domain name unrelated to its registration would not be within scope.

 

Could ICANN Counsel please clarify this language?  Specifically, what could be “use of a domain name unrelated to its registration”?  If this means “any use of a domain name after it is registered”, then how is that opinion consistent with prior enactment of the UDRP, and Counsel’s opinion in the Issues Report re Fast Flux Hosting (Mar. 31, 2008, p. 14):

 

General Counsel’s opinion is that some aspects relating to the subject of fast flux hosting are within scope of the ICANN policy process and within the scope of the GNSO. As fast flux

hosting activities concern gTLDs, the issue is within the scope of the GNSO to address.

 

This clarification and/or further analysis might be very helpful for the Council in considering the latest Issues Report in the coming weeks, before our next meeting.

 

Thanks,

Mike R.