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[council] GNSO Council draft minutes teleconf. 18 November 2004



Dear Councillors,

Please find the draft minutes of the GNSO Council teleconference held on 18
November 2004 in plain text and attached in html.

If there are any changes that you would like made, please let me know.

Thanks you very much.

Happy New Year!

Kind regards,
Glen


Glen de Saint Géry
GNSO Secretariat
gnso.secretariat[at]gnso.icann.org
18 November 2004

Proposed agenda and related documents

List of attendees:
Philip Sheppard - Commercial & Business users C.
Marilyn Cade - Commercial & Business users C.
Grant Forsyth - Commercial & Business users C
Greg Ruth - ISCPC
Antonio Harris - ISCPC
Tony Holmes - ISCPC
Thomas Keller- Registrars - absent - apologies - proxy to Ross Rader/Bruce
Tonkin/Alick Wilson
Ross Rader - Registrars
Bruce Tonkin - Registrars
Ken Stubbs - gTLD registries
Philip Colebrook - gTLD registries
Cary Karp - gTLD registries
Lucy Nichols - Intellectual Property Interests C
Niklas Lagergren - Intellectual Property Interests C
Kiyoshi Tsuru - Intellectual Property Interests C. - absent - apologies -
proxy to Lucy Nichols
Jisuk Woo - Non Commercial users C. - absent - proxy to Marc Schneiders
Marc Schneiders - Non Commercial users C.
Carlos Afonso - Non Commercial users C. - absent - apologies - proxy to Marc
Schneiders
Alick Wilson - absent - apologies - proxy to Amadeu Abril l Abril/Demi
Getschko/Bruce Tonkin(directed vote for chair)
Demi Getschko- absent - apologies - proxy to Amadeu Abril l Abril
Amadeu Abril I Abril

15 Council Members

Paul Verhoef - Vice President, Policy Development Support
John Jeffrey - ICANN General Counsel
Kurt Pritz - Vice President, Business Operations
Barbara Roseman - ICANN Staff Manager

Thomas Roessler - acting ALAC Liaison

Christopher Wilkinson - GAC Secretary
Suzanne Sene - GAC Liaison

Michael Palage - ICANN Board (GNSO seat 14) - observer
Patrick Sharry - External Consultant engaged for GNSO Review

Glen de Saint Géry - GNSO Secretariat

MP3 Recording
Quorum present at 20:05

Bruce Tonkin and Philip Sheppard chaired this teleconference.

Item 1: Approval of the Agenda


Bruce Tonkin proposed adding the WIPO ll discussion between Item 3 and Item
4.
Marilyn Cade proposed an update on the Staff support recruitment situation.

Agenda approved


Item 2: Approval of the Minutes of 21 October 2004

Ken Stubbs seconded by Marc Schneiders moved the adoption of the Minutes of
21 October 2004

The motion carried with two abstentions: Niklas Lagergren and Amadeu Abril I
Abril

Decision 1: The Minutes of 21 October 2004 were adopted

Item 3: Election of GNSO Council chair for 12 month term.
Bruce Tonkin handed the chair to Philip Sheppard as he was a candidate for
the GNSO Chair elections.

The GNSO Secretary reported that there had been one nomination, Bruce
Tonkin, seconded by Ross Rader and Demi Getschko.
Philip Sheppard, seconded by Marilyn Cade and Ken Stubbs, proposed a motion
of clarification:

Whereas there had been a question raised as to whether or not the GNSO Chair
could have a renewed term of office .
Whereas the question related to the old Rules of Procedure of the Names
Council and those rules no longer applied under the new ICANN Bylaws,
the vote for the GNSO chair would be solely under the grounds of the current
ICANN bylaws as they apply to the GNSO Council.

The motion carried unanimously with a voice vote, quorum was confirmed
before the vote was taken.

Decision 2:
Whereas there had been a question raised as to whether or not the GNSO Chair
could have a renewed term of office .
Whereas the question related to the old Rules of Procedure of the Names
Council and those rules no longer applied under the new ICANN Bylaws,
the vote for the GNSO chair would be solely under the grounds of the current
ICANN bylaws as they apply to the GNSO Council.

Philip Sheppard proceeded with a nominated vote:

Yes, for Bruce Tonkin as GNSO Chair for the term of one year, until 18
November 2005, no or abstain.


All members present with proxies voted yes, one abstention, Bruce Tonkin.
The vote was confirmed.

Decision 3: Bruce Tonkin is elected GNSO Council chair for one year,
November 18 , 2004 to November 18, 2005.

Philip Sheppard, on behalf of the GNSO Council congratulated Bruce Tonkin
and handed the chair back to him.

Bruce Tonkin proposed a discussion on the WIPO ll issue.
Lucy Nichols requested that prior to the Board receiving ICANN Staff's WIPO
ll recommendation, the GNSO Council be informed of the substance.
The Intellectual Property Constituency's primary concern was that the ICANN
Staff and President would be making a recommendation regarding WIPO II and
that the Board could make a decision based upon that recommendation prior to
the GNSO Council's knowledge and discussion of the recommendation.

John Jeffrey and Paul Verhoef stated that the WIPO staff had provided a
commentary on the work of the WIPO-II committee which would be published for
comment on the ICANN website.

Bruce Tonkin encouraged ICANN to give the Council adequate prior notice so
that there would be an opportunity to comment on the recommendation before
going to the ICANN Board, particularly given that there was no consensus
from the Council, and that the issue was related to gTLDs.

Item 4: Draft Initial Report on procedure for use by ICANN in considering
requests for consent and related contractual amendments to allow changes in
the architecture or operation of a gTLD registry.
Kurt Pritz reported that the document had been reviewed by the ICANN
President and Senior Staff and that concerns hovered around ICANN's ability
to provide timely service for registry requests. The flow chart was compared
with 18/20 case studies of registry requests for changes over the past year
and the vast majority of them fell into a straight forward category which
did not require all the steps set out in the flow charts. The document is
being revised so as to take into account simple and more complex cases and
will be available before the Cape Town meetings.

Update on Process for appointing staff
Paul Verhoef reported that 2 short lists had been established for the two
GNSO related positions and interviews were taking place with the aim of
engaging shortly the successful candidate for the policy support position
soon while the senior role would likely be filled at the beginning of 2005.

Item 5: Update on process for review of GNSO Council Item
Patrick Sharry, a Master of Science in Decision Sciences from the London
School of Economics, Master of Education in mathematics education, a
Graduate Diploma of Teaching and a Bachelor of Arts comes from a teaching
background and has worked with ICANN over the last 12 months. Currently he
is undertaking the GNSO review process, interviews have been conducted and
the draft report is expected to be complete by mid week, 24 November 2004.

Item 6: ICANN strategic plan
Bruce Tonkin suggested that the Strategic Plan should be an agenda item for
the GNSO Council committee discussion in Cape Town.

Item 7: Update on WHOIS
Marilyn Cade reporting for the Whois combined task force 1 and 2, said that
there would be draft recommendations to put forward at the GNSO public forum
relating to a draft procedure for conflicts, step by step, and Conspicuous
notice, while tiered access was at a developmental and exploratory stage and
work was progressing on identifying expert categories and possible experts
to address the issue. The task force was also working on questions which
could be addressed by the public to be included in the report as guided
comments.
Barbara Roseman reported that Whois task force 3 intended to have a physical
meeting in Cape Town.
Challenges revolved around the ways in which the Intellectual Property
Constituency and other Constituencies saw the usefulness of data accuracy
and the Registrars application of a cost benefit ratio for taking on
additional burdens of verifying accuracy. There appeared to be no
disagreement about the actual issues but about who would bear the costs.
Thomas Roessler commented that there appeared to be no consensus on whether
to optimize for increasing data quality on large scale or to optimize for
going after a small number of bad actors. Sanctions tied to inaccurate data
if there were few cases could be harsher than sanctions applied on a large
scale. Care should be exercised in sanctions as they could destabilize
legitimate domain names on a large scale.

Bruce Tonkin suggested that the task forces meet on Wednesday with the whole
GNSO Council to get additional perspectives and Ken Stubbs suggested that
Barbara Roseman prepare a summary of the fundamental issues involved in task
force 3.


Item 8: Update on planning for ICANN meeting in Cape Town
Suggestions for discussion were as follows:

Tuesday 30 November 2004, 2:00 pm to 4:00 pm

GNSO Council external review
GNSO Council self-review
ICANN Strategic plan
Priority policy issues for 2005

Wednesday 1 December 2004 all day

10:30 to 12:30 Whois
GAC working group /GNSO Council and task force members lunch
4:00 to 6:00 Whois

Friday 3 December 2004 8:30 to 10:30 Public Forum

Whois task force recommendations
Procedure for use by ICANN in considering requests for consent and related
contractual amendments to allow changes in the architecture or operation of
a gTLD registry
Summary of workshop solutions to the contention for domain names made
available by a gTLD registry
GNSO Council review
Open microphone for the community to raise issues the GNSO should examine

Bruce Tonkin declared the GNSO meeting closed and thanked everybody for
participating.
The meeting ended: 20:15 UTC.

Next GNSO Council meeting will be held on Friday 3 December 2004 at 10:30
local time, 8:30 UTC in Auditorium 1 in the Cape Town International
Convention Center
see: Calendar





 

18 November 2004

Proposed agenda and related documents

List of attendees:
Philip Sheppard - Commercial & Business users C.
Marilyn Cade - Commercial & Business users C.
Grant Forsyth - Commercial & Business users C
Greg Ruth - ISCPC
Antonio Harris - ISCPC
Tony Holmes - ISCPC
Thomas Keller- Registrars - absent - apologies - proxy to Ross Rader/Bruce Tonkin/Alick Wilson
Ross Rader - Registrars
Bruce Tonkin - Registrars
Ken Stubbs - gTLD registries
Philip Colebrook - gTLD registries
Cary Karp - gTLD registries
Lucy Nichols - Intellectual Property Interests C
Niklas Lagergren - Intellectual Property Interests C
Kiyoshi Tsuru - Intellectual Property Interests C. - absent - apologies - proxy to Lucy Nichols
Jisuk Woo - Non Commercial users C. - absent - proxy to Marc Schneiders
Marc Schneiders - Non Commercial users C.
Carlos Afonso - Non Commercial users C. - absent - apologies - proxy to Marc Schneiders
Alick Wilson - absent - apologies - proxy to Amadeu Abril l Abril/Demi Getschko/Bruce Tonkin(directed vote for chair)
Demi Getschko- absent - apologies - proxy to Amadeu Abril l Abril
Amadeu Abril I Abril

15 Council Members

Paul Verhoef - Vice President, Policy Development Support
John Jeffrey - ICANN General Counsel
Kurt Pritz - Vice President, Business Operations
Barbara Roseman - ICANN Staff Manager

Thomas Roessler - acting ALAC Liaison

Christopher Wilkinson - GAC Secretary
Suzanne Sene - GAC Liaison

Michael Palage - ICANN Board (GNSO seat 14) - observer
Patrick Sharry - External Consultant engaged for GNSO Review

Glen de Saint Géry - GNSO Secretariat

MP3 Recording
Quorum present at 20:05

Bruce Tonkin and Philip Sheppard chaired this teleconference.

Item 1: Approval of the Agenda


Bruce Tonkin proposed adding the WIPO ll discussion between Item 3 and Item 4.
Marilyn Cade proposed an update on the Staff support recruitment situation.

Agenda approved

Item 2: Approval of the Minutes of 21 October 2004

Ken Stubbs
seconded by Marc Schneiders moved the adoption of the Minutes of 21 October 2004

The motion carried with two abstentions: Niklas Lagergren and Amadeu Abril I Abril

Decision 1: The Minutes of 21 October 2004 were adopted

Item 3: Election of GNSO Council chair for 12 month term.
Bruce Tonkin
handed the chair to Philip Sheppard as he was a candidate for the GNSO Chair elections.

The GNSO Secretary
reported that there had been one nomination, Bruce Tonkin, seconded by Ross Rader and Demi Getschko.
Philip Sheppard,
seconded by Marilyn Cade and Ken Stubbs, proposed a motion of clarification:

Whereas there had been a question raised as to whether or not the GNSO Chair could have a renewed term of office .
Whereas the question related to the old Rules of Procedure of the Names Council and those rules no longer applied under the new ICANN Bylaws,
the vote for the GNSO chair would be solely under the grounds of the current ICANN bylaws as they apply to the GNSO Council.

The motion carried unanimously with a voice vote, quorum was confirmed before the vote was taken.

Decision 2:
Whereas there had been a question raised as to whether or not the GNSO Chair could have a renewed term of office .
Whereas the question related to the old Rules of Procedure of the Names Council and those rules no longer applied under the new ICANN Bylaws,
the vote for the GNSO chair would be solely under the grounds of the current ICANN bylaws as they apply to the GNSO Council.


Philip Sheppard proceeded with a nominated vote:

Yes, for Bruce Tonkin as GNSO Chair for the term of one year, until 18 November 2005, no or abstain.

All members present with proxies voted yes, one abstention, Bruce Tonkin.
The vote was confirmed.

Decision 3: Bruce Tonkin is elected GNSO Council chair for one year, November 18 , 2004 to November 18, 2005.

Philip Sheppard,
on behalf of the GNSO Council congratulated Bruce Tonkin and handed the chair back to him.

Bruce Tonkin proposed a discussion on the WIPO ll issue.
Lucy Nichols
requested that prior to the Board receiving ICANN Staff's WIPO ll recommendation, the GNSO Council be informed of the substance.
The Intellectual Property Constituency's primary concern was that the ICANN Staff and President would be making a recommendation regarding WIPO II and that the Board could make a decision based upon that recommendation prior to the GNSO Council's knowledge and discussion of the recommendation.

John Jeffrey and Paul Verhoef stated that the WIPO staff had provided a commentary on the work of the WIPO-II committee which would be published for comment on the ICANN website.

Bruce Tonkin
encouraged ICANN to give the Council adequate prior notice so that there would be an opportunity to comment on the recommendation before going to the ICANN Board, particularly given that there was no consensus from the Council, and that the issue was related to gTLDs.

Item 4:
Draft Initial Report on procedure for use by ICANN in considering requests for consent and related contractual amendments to allow changes in the architecture or operation of a gTLD registry.
Kurt Pritz reported that the document had been reviewed by the ICANN President and Senior Staff and that concerns hovered around ICANN's ability to provide timely service for registry requests. The flow chart was compared with 18/20 case studies of registry requests for changes over the past year and the vast majority of them fell into a straight forward category which did not require all the steps set out in the flow charts. The document is being revised so as to take into account simple and more complex cases and will be available before the Cape Town meetings.

Update on Process for appointing staff
Paul Verhoef reported that 2 short lists had been established for the two GNSO related positions and interviews were taking place with the aim of engaging shortly the successful candidate for the policy support position soon while the senior role would likely be filled at the beginning of 2005.

Item 5: Update on process for review of GNSO Council Item
Patrick Sharry, a Master of Science in Decision Sciences from the London School of Economics, Master of Education in mathematics education, a Graduate Diploma of Teaching and a Bachelor of Arts comes from a teaching background and has worked with ICANN over the last 12 months. Currently he is undertaking the GNSO review process, interviews have been conducted and the draft report is expected to be complete by mid week, 24 November 2004.

Item 6: ICANN strategic plan
Bruce Tonkin suggested that the Strategic Plan should be an agenda item for the GNSO Council committee discussion in Cape Town.

Item 7: Update on WHOIS
Marilyn Cade reporting for the Whois combined task force 1 and 2, said that there would be draft recommendations to put forward at the GNSO public forum relating to a draft procedure for conflicts, step by step, and Conspicuous notice, while tiered access was at a developmental and exploratory stage and work was progressing on identifying expert categories and possible experts to address the issue. The task force was also working on questions which could be addressed by the public to be included in the report as guided comments.
Barbara Roseman reported that Whois task force 3 intended to have a physical meeting in Cape Town.
Challenges revolved around the ways in which the Intellectual Property Constituency and other Constituencies saw the usefulness of data accuracy and the Registrars application of a cost benefit ratio for taking on additional burdens of verifying accuracy. There appeared to be no disagreement about the actual issues but about who would bear the costs.

Thomas Roessler commented that there appeared to be no consensus on whether to optimize for increasing data quality on large scale or to optimize for going after a small number of bad actors. Sanctions tied to inaccurate data if there were few cases could be harsher than sanctions applied on a large scale. Care should be exercised in sanctions as they could destabilize legitimate domain names on a large scale.

Bruce Tonkin suggested that the task forces meet on Wednesday with the whole GNSO Council to get additional perspectives and Ken Stubbs suggested that Barbara Roseman prepare a summary of the fundamental issues involved in task force 3.


Item 8: Update on planning for ICANN meeting in Cape Town
Suggestions for discussion were as follows:

Tuesday 30 November 2004, 2:00 pm to 4:00 pm

GNSO Council external review
GNSO Council self-review
ICANN Strategic plan
Priority policy issues for 2005

Wednesday 1 December 2004 all day

10:30 to 12:30 Whois
GAC working group /GNSO Council and task force members lunch

4:00 to 6:00 Whois

Friday 3 December 2004 8:30 to 10:30 Public Forum

Whois task force recommendations
Procedure for use by ICANN in considering requests for consent and related contractual amendments to allow changes in the architecture or operation of a gTLD registry
Summary of workshop solutions to the contention for domain names made available by a gTLD registry

GNSO Council review
Open microphone for the community to raise issues the GNSO should examine

Bruce Tonkin declared the GNSO meeting closed and thanked everybody for participating.
The meeting ended: 20:15 UTC.