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Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account



I'm a lurker myself but am keenly interested in the problem. I have to agree 100% with Ryan's statement. This is a point that few people make in this argument, because the discussion has been spun to focus on _proving_ some sort of malicious intent on Diebold's part. I disagree with that fundamental statement of the argument. These people have demonstrated that they are ignoring all of the "right" ways to perform their task (both technically and ethically) and have repeatedly used press releases and legal maneuver to avoid addressing the issues people have with their software.
This sort of behaviour is commonplace when it comes to corporations because it 
is usually less painful financially than doing what is right.  But I cannot 
agree more strongly with the point that this particular service is one that 
should be performed without profit as the highest motive.  For those at Diebold 
that cry foul at those of us that feel the election is more important than 
their quarterly statement, I humbly suggest that they should choose a less 
vital service to bring to market.  Imagine a company complaining that reliable 
medical systems would be too costly to implement and would affect their bottom 
line.  There is a greater standard to uphold.

- Brian Kirkbride

Ryan_Ward@xxxxxxxx wrote:
I usually lurk as well, but wanted to respond to your question.

There's so much debate for one simple reason.  All the known solutions
have been ignored.  This is why everyone is getting so upset on this
issue.  Companies like Diebold have ignored all the previous work on
this subject, work done by people like Bruce Schneier.  They've ignored
all the problems with their system, up to and including their complete
lack of verifiability.  They're already, in a rather short history in
this field, shown a complete lack of accountability (think the various
unapproved revisions that got them sued in California).
That they've been so determined to weasel around the _known_ solutions
to these issues casts a great deal of suspicion on them.  Their
continued resistance to even the simplest fixes, combined with their
repeated denials of any problems, is only making things worse.

Unfortunately, I don't see any major changes to this happening until
some state's electoral votes go to CowboyNeal or Bill the Cat...

Ryan (Not speaking for Dell in any way, shape or form)
"Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods."
-- H. L. Mencken