#icann on irc.dal.net

On this web page, you can find a log from the #icann channel on irc.dal.net. A log of some earlier conversations on the channel, including any scribing, is available here. Thanks to Abel Wisman for providing it.

Last update: Wed Mar 13 19:20:01 CET 2002

current log

Time stamps are in GMT+0100.

1	OK, folks, you now have near-realtime logging.
2	See http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html.
3	testing
4	Gary: It's updated every five minutes.
5	What is?
6	k, thx. thomas
7	Change that to every minute.
8	asv: I've started logging things to a web page. It's not yet perfect; still working.
9	Excellent
10	Dan Halloran: [Redemption Grace Periods presentation]
11	Dan Halloran: Effects of unintentional deletions devastating
12	Dan Halloran: "3000 domains previously contained innocent content but now contain pornography" (National Post)
13	Dan Halloran: Technical details still need to be resolved
14	Dan Halloran: Convene a technical steering group (including knowledgeable registry and registrar personnel)
15	Jeff Neuman/gTLR registries: Support ICANN proposal
16	Jeff Neuman/gTLR registries: Safety net is an excellent proposal. 30 days seem reasonable.
17	Jeff Neuman/gTLR registries: Support notion that registrants should be able to choose their registrar.
18	Jeff Neuman/gTLR registries: Not sure how to prove that registrants are who they say they are
19	Jeff Neuman/gTLR registries: Committee should also contain people acquainted with business practices
<asvensson>	Dan Halloran: Registrars can implement registrar-hold if they want.
<asvensson>	Bruce Tonkin/Registrars: Commend ICANN staff for succinct and clear position.
<tlr>	The log is now up and running at http://does-not-exist.org/icann-log.html.
<asvensson>	Bruce Tonkin/Registrars: Popular names go within milliseconds. People that inadvertantly lose their name, lose it quickly indeed.
<GaryOsbourne>	I've pointed to weblog on icannwatch: http://www.icannwatch.org/article.php?sid=603
<asvensson>	Amadeu Abril i Abril: Congratulate. Safety net goes in the right direction. Would still advocate to work in a consensus policy to provide a registrAR-hold
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: Next topic. .info Country Names Discussion Group.
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [presentation]
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] September 2001: Action to preserve status quo, reservation of 329 names based on algorithm.
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] President prepare action plan to analyze related issues.
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] DNSO Names Council Resolution 11 October 2001
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] NC: Understands GAC concerns, need to view GAC recommendation with caution.
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] GAC response to NC: Noted concerns, noted major GAC effort to limit reservations (ISO 3166-1)
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] ICNG recommends reservation, invites GAC to investigate the level of interest in a special TLD.
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: [.info country names] Asks GAC how long restrictions should stay (if domain not used)
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: ISO 3166-1 is not a definite list of countries.
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: Channel Islands have numeric code, no ISO 3166-1 code.
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: .info names don't include Channel Islands.
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: Channel Islands not colony of England -- other way around.
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: One of the islands' names registered under Sunrise.
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: Urge when considering countries and territories, not only consider ISO 3166-1 list.
<asvensson>	Nigel Roberts/Channel Islands: There is a government gTLD. It's called .gov
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: Use of ISO 3166-1 to avoid deciding what countries are countries.
<asvensson>	Raul Echeberria: Are there plans to make available not only country names in ISO list, but also regional blocks like European Union and Mercosur?
<tlr>	Warning: The log will pause for a short moment now.
<tlr>	Note for log: No messages were missed.
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 18:16:33 2002
<tlr>	bye
<asvensson>	Vint Cerf: GAC recommendation tried to limit itself.
<asvensson>	Raul Echeberria: But translations not contained (in EU case).
<asvensson>	Rob Blokzijl: Fully agree. Case of European Union is not the most beautiful thing we did. Does not follow algorithm at all. But should go on.
<asvensson>	Ron /Afilias: [presentation] Issues with .info Sunrise Period
<asvensson>	Ron /Afilias: [presentation] Remedies
<asvensson>	--scribing stops for a moment--
<GaryOsbourne>	http://www.republicofanodyne.org/
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 18:27:04 2002
<GaryOsbourne>	AV feed is down
<danny1>	always happens when the good stuff is being discussed
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [New TLD Evaluation Process Planning TF/NTEPPTF presentation]
<danny1>	CC Communique finished, now the AV feed is back up
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] Meeting in Accra, large exchange with representatives of new gTLDs
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] Action plan up to the ICANN meeting in June
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] Final report -- we are late
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] Final report in June
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] Personal comment: Have to find way forward. Evaluation can take a long time until conclusions reached.
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] In the interim, community needs to give thoughts on how to go forward.
<asvensson>	Vinton Cerf: [NTEPPTF] Did differences in gTLD types make finding criteria harder?
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 18:37:10 2002
<GaryOsbourne>	Because we want another round of people giving us $50k
<asvensson>	Stuart Lynn: [NTEPPTF] Have already grouped in different categories.
<asvensson>	Ken Fockler, former Board member, ALSC: Say hello; there is life after + outside ICANN.
<danny1>	Open Microphone Time
<asvensson>	Ken Fockler, former Board member, ALSC: Word process comes up a lot.
<asvensson>	Ken Fockler, former Board member, ALSC: Not an advocate of long processes. You will have processes with whatever structure you have.
<JoannaLane>	ok, what are our questions?
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Support DNS and an authority such as ICANN to the extent this management is required and no more than this management is required.
<abel_>	hello ?
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Seek to develop a mission statement for ICANN.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Have begun a discussion along these lines with other constituencies.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: No vote taken.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: ...taken on the following statements:
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Government of DNS should be appropriate and proportionate.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Governance be responsive to markets rather than arrangements among states.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Those who want to play a role should contribute to funding, with some exception for non-commercial entities.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: End users of computers have interests that are distinct from those of governments.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Appropriate that end users pay for this input in some measure.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Domain holders have greater claim on ICANN attention than end users without domain names.
<alexandersvensson>	Tim Denton, Registrars: Registrars cannot speak for their registrants.
<alexandersvensson>	Manon Ress, Essential Information: Belong to Ralph Nader organization, work with James Love.
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 18:47:38 2002
<alexandersvensson>	Manon Ress, Essential Information: [Reads statement by Consumer Project on Technology]
<alexandersvensson>	Manon Ress, Essential Information: Get budget under control, not eliminate At Large, not invite governments, options for decentralizing decision-making. Board should make sure that there is an At Large election.
<alexandersvensson>	Amadeu Abril i Abril: I do not get many recommendations from the Councils.
<alexandersvensson>	Ivan Moura Campos: You propose that ICANN shall deal with free speech and say at the same time that there is mission creep.
<alexandersvensson>	Manon Ress: Free speech not mission creep.
<tlr>	hi
<alexandersvensson>	David Short/IATA: We filed .travel application. Update the Board that we have tried to learn the lesson.
<alexandersvensson>	David Short/IATA: .travel summit meetings
<abel_>	thomas, i moved the log from the earlier session to your dir in hrmph.info, can you make a link for it somehwrer ?
<alexandersvensson>	David Short/IATA: Strengthen consensus of the travel industry in support of IATA .travel proposal.
<abel_>	it's a edited version
<tlr>	abel: yes. Will add a link after updated logging script is installed.
<abel_>	ok
<alexandersvensson>	David Short/IATA: Hope to go forward.
<alexandersvensson>	David Short/IATA: Recognize that there are other issues on ICANN's agenda.
<tlr>	abel_: url?
<tlr>	NOTICE: Logging will stop for a short moment.
<alexandersvensson>	David Short/IATA: Hope work on the gTLD evaluation continues.
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 18:53:42 2002
<abel_>	i.e. thomas homedir on prometheus
<alexandersvensson>	Jane Mutimear/IP Constituency: IP Constituency had a meeting a week before F2F meeting
<alexandersvensson>	Jane Mutimear/IP Constituency: Discussed preliminarily Reform report.
<alexandersvensson>	Jane Mutimear/IP Constituency: Good analysis of the problems. We agree with the comment which was made earlier in relation to the defining of the mission.
<alexandersvensson>	Jane Mutimear/IP Constituency: You cannot finalize structure until mission.
<alexandersvensson>	Jane Mutimear/IP Constituency: IP Constituency prepared to work with Board to ensure that IP concerns represented in whatever new structure.
<alexandersvensson>	Jane Mutimear/IP Constituency: Represent a very high proportion of domain name owners.
<alexandersvensson>	Andy Müller-Maguhn: Are you aware that intellectual property is not part of ICANN's mission.
<alexandersvensson>	Jonathan Cohen: We are users. We are in the WHite Paper. End of story.
<alexandersvensson>	Tony Holmes/ISPCP: Recognize the problems. Do not view the proposed solution as viable, pragmatic, achievable or acceptable.
<tlr>	The log provided by Abel Wisman is at http://www.hrmph.info/icann-log-020313.txt, and linked from the log page.
<alexandersvensson>	Tony Holmes/ISPCP: Don't accept that a model that a model that requires substantial government funding is viable, pragmatic or achievable.
<alexandersvensson>	Tony Holmes/ISPCP: Do accept the need to move away from process.
<alexandersvensson>	Tony Holmes/ISPCP: Some existing stakeholders should not be elevated at the expense of others.
<alexandersvensson>	Tony Holmes/ISPCP: Have looked at proposal that ICANN funding should come from registration, viewed positively.
<alexandersvensson>	Norbert Klein, Open Forum Cambodia, member of NCDNHC: Created first Internet connection in KH in 1994
<alexandersvensson>	Norbert Klein, Open Forum Cambodia: I do not speak for major stakeholders.
<alexandersvensson>	Norbert Klein, Open Forum Cambodia: Happy that I had the opportunity to participate
<alexandersvensson>	Norbert Klein, Open Forum Cambodia: Special thanks to elected Board members.
<alexandersvensson>	Stefano Trumpy, .it: ICANN mandate is not clear.
<alexandersvensson>	Stefano Trumpy, .it: Relation between technical and policy part unclear.
<alexandersvensson>	Stefano Trumpy, .it: Distinguish more in the future.
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 19:04:23 2002
<alexandersvensson>	Stefano Trumpy, .it: Example .info country names. Technical solution: Quick revocation of domain names.
<alexandersvensson>	Stefano Trumpy, .it: Example security disci
<tlr>	[Just a short question: You probably have noticed the notice from icann-log. It'll come every 10 minutes. Is this considered too frequently?]
<alexandersvensson>	Stefano Trumpy, .it: Example security discussion. Political decision to have more security.
<abel_>	perfect thomas
<alexandersvensson>	[The meeting will not last that much longer, I think.]
<tlr>	[maybe, but I'll leave the bot running, so you can just rejoin the channel and continue scribing tomorrow. ;-)]
<alexandersvensson>	Amadeu Abril i Abril: Agree. People come to ICANN for two set of problems -- technical coordination and policy.
<alexandersvensson>	Vint Cerf: Difficult to separate technical and political solutions.
<alexandersvensson>	Andy Duff, new.net: Have worked hard to produce alternative, published on new.net.
<alexandersvensson>	Andy Duff, new.net: Advocate that USG retains control of existing root.
<GaryOsbourne>	Interesting that new.net got into business constituency via taking over Basic Fusion
<alexandersvensson>	Andy Duff, new.net: Everyone should come up with alternative proposals.
<alexandersvensson>	Amadeu Abril i Abril: You proposed alternatives to current TLDs, alternative to current root, to Stuart's proposal. Sorry that you have no alternatives to US control of root.
<alexandersvensson>	Vint Cerf: [remote question] What is Board's view of recommendations that finally emerged after year-long internal review?
<alexandersvensson>	Louis Touton: Have received draft interim report.
<alexandersvensson>	Alejandro Pisanty: Look at all qualified input available. It's a draft of a draft of a draft.
<alexandersvensson>	Sebastien Bachollet: [speaking in French] Derniere intervention dans ma langue maternelle.
<JoannaLane>	good one Danny
<alexandersvensson>	Sebastien Bachollet: Translation available.
Time stamp:	Wed Mar 13 19:14:43 2002
<alexandersvensson>	Sebastien Bachollet: Je voudrais jusque dire that France celebrated [something]
<PatrickCorliss>	Well done Sebastian !!!
<alexandersvensson>	Erick Iriarte, NCDNHC: Stuart Lynn proposal is only a proposal. Take information from Structure TF, from ccSO, more documents
<alexandersvensson>	Erick Iriarte, NCDNHC: Not only reactive, but proactive.
<alexandersvensson>	Vint Cerf: Meeting closed. Thanks!
<alexandersvensson>	-- and with this, good bye from Accra, see you perhaps tomorrow ---
<GaryOsbourne>	Many thanks Alexander, and Thomas.