Re: [At-Large] Public Forum presentation - draft
Vittorio,
Why don't you raise the issue with the Board?
RG
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alac-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:alac-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Vittorio Bertola
> Sent: 29 March 2007 12:25
> To: Nick Ashton-Hart
> Cc: Interim ALAC
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Public Forum presentation - draft
>
> I am moving this to the public list, because it is very important.
>
> We can discuss on words, but your interpretation of the text
> of the PDP that would require the GNSO Council to approve a
> request for an Issue Report by an Advisory Committee is not
> what was agreed in year 2002. It was explicitly said that we
> were advisory, but we'd have the unilateral right (of course
> to be used with care) to put things on the GNSO agenda.
> I have even checked this with a GNSO guru during the break,
> who said that there's no way that it can be differently from
> this - we just need to phrase the request correctly.
>
> If the ICANN staff stays with that interpretation, and if it
> is confirmed by the GNSO, I would like to raise the issue
> with the other ACs and with the Board to understand whether
> this is actually the intent of ICANN at the political level.
>
> Nick Ashton-Hart ha scritto:
> > Your interpretation does not square with the ICANN GC. Note
> the word
> > 'request' in 1(c). Further, you do not request ICANN Staff for an
> > issues report; you send a request to the GNSO as per 1(c).
> >
> > On 29/03/07, *Izumi AIZU* <iza@xxxxxxx <mailto:iza@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I looked at 1 c. already, as follows,
> >
> > 1 c. /Advisory Committee Initiation./ An Advisory Committee may
> > raise an issue for policy development by action of such
> committee to
> > commence the PDP, and transmission of that request to the GNSO
> > Council
> >
> > The "transmission of that request" implies to the
> commence of PDP,
> > but NOT issue report IMHO. So, this does not prevent us from
> > requesting ICANN Staff for Issue Report. Otherwise,
> there is little
> > room for any advisory committee - I cannot imagine GAC
> accepts this
> > and ask GNSO council to reuqest Issue report or RSSAC
> or SSAC does...
> >
> > izumi
> >
> > 2007/3/29, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:nashton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> >
> > Look at 1(c). Then look at 2....
> >
> > On 29/03/07, *Vittorio Bertola* < vb@xxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:vb@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > Nick Ashton-Hart ha scritto:
> >> Note one error below of process. Quite important not to
> > misstate the process...
> >>
> >> >However, there is a need for more concrete information to
> > prove these
> >> >problems actually exist and are affecting the ordinary
> > users and their
> >> >experience in using the Internet. Therefore ALAC is
> > drafting a formal
> >> >request shortly to ask ICANN staff to prepare an Issue
> > Report. At the same
> >>
> >> This above statement is the problem. What ALAC can do is
> > ask the GNSO
> >> Council to ask for an Issues Report to be prepared.
> >
> > Huh? If you go to
> > http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#AnnexA
> > <http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#AnnexA>, point
> > 2, it says that upon the request of "a properly
> supported
> > motion from an
> > Advisory Committee", staff will create an Issue Report,
> > which will then
> > go to the GNSO council together with a recommendation on
> > whether or not
> > to start a PDP. You clarified a few mails ago
> that according
> > to Dan "a
> > properly supported motion" is one that the
> majority of the
> > ALAC approved
> > in a formal vote.
> >
> > I don't know how that can be read differently -
> are you sure
> > that you
> > mean what you wrote? I thought Maria had said
> that the GNSO
> > council
> > needs to approve the starting of a PDP, not the
> creation of
> > an issue report.
> > --
> > vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a]
> bertola.eu
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